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Gozer Unregistered user |
I thought I would set myself a real challenge - and it doesn't get much more challenging than an Archmage victory! My dwarven wizard has had quite a bit of luck so far: found elven chain mail, a tower crystal shield, a spellbook of invisibility and an orcish spear of penetrating in the early game. Spellbook of lightening ball made short work of the steel golems. Pools failed to yield a wish and permanent invisibility has made it impossible to complete the dwarven quests (can't get into the arena - have to wait until I find some potions of visibility!) However, permanent invisiblity did make bugville a piece of cake. After getting the RotHK I finished the secret library. Lightening ball and willpower 32 made it possible to destroy the skeleton king before even opening the door. Secret Library was nastier than normal - had to pray for health a few times after being accidentally cornered by a diamond golem (didn't have teleport yet - had to resort to magic missiling it and myself!) After getting every spell in the game from the library, the ToEF was never gonna be a challenge. Even without any rings of fire resistance I was able to magic map and teleport myself (bought a ring of teleport control thanks to a ring shop in the early game) to avoid much damage. ACW was no match for ice ball and willpower 32. At this point I STILL had not found an AoLS or any kind of wish - even after digging up the graveyard. Eventually I was able to get one by feeding the demented ratling, killing (and eating) Keriax, wearing the Crown of Chaos (for extra mana) and casting wish on Silvernight (after saccing enough gold to get very close). And even then I was reduced to 1 HP!!! After saving Khelly with the AoLS I dropped down as far as the casino shop (water temple was no challenge). Found saw awesome stuff in the casino shop including ironfists and two pairs of SLBs. Thought about do the legal thing and paying for them - but decided to kill the shopkeeper with humanoid slaying ammo instead. Next up: Cat Lord, Old Crone's quests, getting crowned, Ancient Karmic Wyrm's quest, Filk, Emperor Moloch, TotRR and close the chaos gate - then time to put Gottfried's famous strategy into action and see if I can scum enough wands from the blue dragon caves to build up my PP high enough to get infinite wishes! |
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Maastonakki Registered user A cute puppy Last page view: 5821 days, 1 hour, 52 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
why do you close the gate so late if you aren't going for ultra? you can do all of those quests you are planning onyourself after closing the gate too... |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Indeed. It is possible to do an Archmage victory even without using the mana orb. I almost made it with a neutrally crowned gnomish wizard. It is going to take a helluva lot of time and patience, though... J. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Maastonakki Registered user A cute puppy Last page view: 5821 days, 1 hour, 52 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
figured... what does bookcasting a wish cost without those lower cast bonuses... 9000? with those bonuses it's ofcourse a lot cheaper but still... |
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Jomppa Unregistered user |
Without any bonuses it's 15000, or 9000 for high exp. level wizards (-40%). Gozer, you should also drink blessed potions of extra and ultra healing at full hp to get extra hp. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
For my late wannabe-archmage the cost of casting from memory was IIRC 2400 PP. Book-casting was about 7200. Remember, this was with the mana battery corruption that lowers spell costs by 20% (at least that is what I recall). Remember, the cost depends on the amount of spell memorised. My char was lucky to find a second spellbook of wish in about ID200. Learning from it three times (in succession, without any satiating in between) gained a nice amount of wish points. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! Died after forgetting to cast SoA whiel using ring of weakness to scum ogre/giant corpses from a greater vault for strength :-( stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid Maastonakki: wanted to get the TotRR before closing the gate. Yeah, I could have done it without the TotRR - but I figured it wouldn't make too much difference either way. Bookcasting wish costs enormous PP - no short-cuts there! Bottom line: if you are serious about an Archmage prepare to devote a month of your life to scumming blue dragon caves! |
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Marillion Registered user Twinmaster Last page view: 356 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
And don't forget to scum for Salamander, to get that 20% PP bonus which ofcourse makes a BIG difference in those numbers. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Gozer (that's you, right ?): Now you have a faint idea of how *I* felt after that stupid end to my archmage attempt. But only a faint one. You have no idea of how it's going to feel having spent ages in vain until you have experienced that yourself... And yes. Bookcasting wish does take an enormous amount of PP. No arguing that. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Unnamed Unregistered user |
What is this "Archmage victory" you are talking about? Is it some kind of special ending or just the usual victory? |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3895 days, 20 hours, 6 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
BTW, doesn't wish drain 10 pts of a random stat? "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Unnamed: I'm not saying this is 100 % correct but AFAIK Archmage victory is the kind of victory where the char has potentially unlimited wishes. That is, able to book-cast wish indefinitely. Needless to say this requires absolutely loads of PP. Morio: yes it does. Then again no stat can go below 1 no matter how much one keeps casting wish and casting wish really trains mana. So one could just cast wish 98 times, wish for potions of gain attributes, bless them all and restore all stats to maximum. One must be careful, though, lest they be crushed due to carelessness and seriously reduced strength... J. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Maastonakki Registered user A cute puppy Last page view: 5821 days, 1 hour, 52 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
and after wishing those potions of gain attributes, one would cast hundreds of other wishes and then drink those potions ^^ Damn I'm taking this as a meaning of life... to sometime get an archmage victory.. it'd be so cool :E Has anyone done this, btw? |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
Archmage victory was made famous by Gottfried. Check out his character in the HOF. I'm not sure if there is an "official" definition for an Archmage victory. But as the Real J says, it involves infinite wishes. I would add that an Archmage is a character with 99 in every attribute and 100 in every skill. For extra challenge, an Archmage should have Grand Mastery in every weapon skill. Maastonakki: Archmage victory has been achieved a few times. It isn't THAT difficult - just VERY tedious because you have to get INSANE PP. The only realistic way to achieve that is by scumming blue dragon caves for wands with the mana absorption corruption (approx. 1 PP per wand, which means scumming thousands of blue dragons which means INSANE amount of real game time). For details check out Gottfried's character. I think there are 1 or 2 others. |
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 Armada Registered user Last page view: 1223 days, 9 hours, 57 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
And of course the added threat in the new version with extremely leveled blue dragons |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Armada: that is correct. That is one reason why I played the 1.0.0 version instead of 1.1.x when doing my attempt. However, even in 1.0.0 ancient blue dragons get frighteningly tough after killing some 5000+ (yes, more than FIVE THOUSAND) of them. I dare not think how tough it would be in 1.1.x. Probably one such ABD could kill Andy in one melee round (ancient blue dragon as the new chaos god, hmmm ?) Gozer: remember cursed wands give no PP when drained. If one just drained all wands one came upon there would be lots of PP lost. Next time I try going archmage I guess I will just collect a lot of wands, booze and other relevant potions, scrolls of charging and uncurse the lot before draining them. That is what I did in my attempt after learning that. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Some guy Unregistered user |
But if you used 1.1.x, you wouldn't have to kill nearly as many dragons because you could get great book caster, so maybe it would work just as well. The Real J.: What happened to your archmage attempt? Or is it a touchy subject? |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Some guy: The char got crushed by excess weight while waiting in the wilderness for PP to regenerate. I had lost quite a lot of strength from casting wish several times (IIRC natural strength was at 1), was not wearing any strength increasing stuff and was lugging around loads of stuff. Strength of atlas ran out and the rest is history. Technically I had already managed to do the Archmage as even with mana severely depleted I could still book-cast wish. But as the char died in such a stupid way I decided not to call it an Archmage. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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lalalala Unregistered user |
do you get a point of mana only if you are at full PP? does the amount of charges affect how much mana you get? |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
lalalala: AFAIK it doesn't matter if one is at full PP or not. Also, number of charges is meaningless as long as there is at least one charge. In other words - it makes no difference whether the wand has one charge or googolplex charges. The B/U/C status also affects the result. Draining a cursed wand will give no PP. Uncursed ones give one PP and blessed ones two PPs. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Some guy Unregistered user |
The Real J.: If you can't call it an archmage if it dies stupidly, when can you call it an archmage? You don't really want to leave if you have infinite wishes, do you? Oh, and I was drained that WoDoorCreation with 100 charges accidentally... and of course it was cursed. That was a shame. That wand is worth like 17000 gold to Waldenbrook if you're a dwarf, even if it's cursed. I've found that if you use the Ctrl-d function to drop multiple wands at once, it usually drops the wrong wands. I've drained many a good wand that way. For some reason this is the only item type I have this problem with. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Well, technically I made it (became an Archmage that is) but I wanted to be sure that it was really achieved - that is, being able to book-cast wish even with mana at the bare minimum (probably mana wouldn't have been at 1 for long, seeing that wish is such a power spell). Besides, I was going to raise my HP and PP to some ridiculous amount, get all weapon skills to grand mastery (IIRC I actually got some 4 or 5 skills there), get all skills at 100 and speed to some 2000. I didn't make it so I consider it a failure. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
The Real J: I think you are maybe being a bit hard on yourself! I reckon if your character can cast infinite wishes s/he is an archmage! Having stats at 99 and skills at 100 are simply the rewards for excellent playing! (and insane patience!) That said, geez that sucks! Death by crushing has got to be the most frustrating - even AoLS aint gonna help you there! I am busy with a new archmage-wannabe. High Elf wizard. Just finished pyramid, graveyard and Keethrax quests. Approx. level 15. Nice combat spells (burning hands, fire bolt, fireball, lightening ball and frost bolt). About to complete puppy quest (had to finish keethrax to get frost bolt to cross stupid *%$@ing river!) Lightening ball should make short work of steel golems. Frost bolt and lightening ball should make RotHK a breeze as well. Badly need teleport control and invisiblity. Plans from here: darkforge, RotHK, secret library, ToEF. Should I drain pools in darkforge? I don't need a wish having found an AoLS (although wishes are always nice :-) I usually get some great intrinsics but I am concerned about teleportitis without teleport control. 1st dwarf quest sucks! Green blob! Dunno where I am gonna find one - was hoping for one in the top pyramid room but no luck. Any suggestions? Am thinking maybe just forget about the dwarf quests for now - they aren't THAT essential. |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3895 days, 20 hours, 6 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Try out the big room for the Green blob "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Marillion Registered user Twinmaster Last page view: 356 days, 20 hours, 31 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
I thought of one thing that others obviuously has thought aboute before, but anyway. Now bookcasting is 5 times as expensive compared to cast from memory. Wish: 15000PP Then you have the wiz level bonuses, if you play wizard. Still tough to bookcast. Wish: 9000PP But the if you play 1.1.1 you can gain Great Bookcaster talent which makes bookcast 50% more expensive, instead of 5 times. That makes Wish 2700PP. Now with Good Mana, and lots of PP gaining corpses during the game, I reccon 2700 can be arcived without that much scumming, which makes it worth attempting in 1.1.1 since you won't need to scum dragons until they are überlevel. If my calculations is right, it would in fact make this kinda easy.. Thoughts about this? |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
Marillion: I intend to achieve archmage with 1.1.1 after doing so in 1.0. From what you have described, it DEFINATELY sounds a lot easier in 1.1.1. So much so that classes other than wizards who are fortunate enough to find a spellbook of wish and have the great bookcaster talent could probably become archmages as well. |
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Aphael Unregistered user |
If one is willing to have lots of PPs, then either wish severel times for 'POWER' or for 'MANA' which gives much more PPs compared to PoGG. *Then* wish for PoGG. Oh, and don't forget willpower, as it also influences PP. Marillion: nice strategy. living battery and salamander should lower your 2700 even more, and would become affordable. |
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Jurne Registered user Last page view: 6662 days, 9 hours, 55 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
IIRC, salamander only lowers fire spells, which I'm assuming wish isn't. You wish to kill me? Good thing I brought my psychic hamster named Hamster with me... |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5661 days, 16 hours, 44 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
If you can find a room with the message "The air in this room seems to be magically charged", cast wish in it, it lowers the pp cost of spells by 20%. It's different from the way the Wizard class powers work, as it doesn't show in your spell list, but you do lose less pp when casting spells in such a room. So this way you can cast wish for 1800pp. 3000 x 1.5 (book cast with talents) x0.5 (for Silvernight) x 0.8 (for charged room)=1800 Now, I know this is going to mess up the thread display, but anyhow, the information is somewhere in this post: http://groups.google.fi/groups?hl=fi&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=588db677.0405310128.6deb70f4%40posting.google.com&rnum=1 If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." [Edited 1 time, last edit on 6/8/2004 at 11:27 (GMT -5) by J.] |
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Maastonakki Registered user A cute puppy Last page view: 5821 days, 1 hour, 52 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
what's this silvernight business? makes me feel like a noob not knowing it :<z |
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