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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5133 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Just wondered if anyone has seen this: My Troll mindcrafter (made one for a challenge game) did the tomb of Griff in a somewhat different way than I usually do. I went in invis to grab the gauntlets. Anyway, I ended up with Nonnak to the left of me. Bashed him a bit till he fled. Then I cleared out rest of tomb, dug up sword, killed the chaos berserker. Then I set out to find and bring justice to Nonnak. Imagine my surprise when I saw a purple j down there. It had the name, 'Nonnak, the writhing mass of primal chaos'. I luckily had jelly slaying ammo so I managed to kill it. The Elder Dwarf refused to aknowledge my kill though, and wouldn't open my portal. (Luckily I was a mindcrafter so I just confused him, then handled the lever myself) I know that the game counted Nonnak as "killed by a trap", but in this case I really think I should have gotten credit, TB! I mean it was still the necromancer, and a lot tougher to kill too... |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3108 days, 23 hours, 26 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
He wasn't counted as "killed by trap". You get all the trap kills on your kill list. He was counted as exchanged - it's the same mechanic that lets you exchange/corrupt cats to avoid killing any. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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tongHoAnh Registered user adoomed Last page view: 6618 days, 18 hours, 42 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
This is a classic game design bug: instead of checking for the victory condition, the game checks for the mean of doing it. In this case, instead of checking his death, ADOM simply check if *you* killed him. How very buggy :( My RL dumpyard: http://www.geocities.com/ceruleannebula/index.html |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3890 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
tongHoAnH wrote: "ADOM simply check if *you* killed him. How very buggy :(" not really, since thrundarr asks you to prove that you really are a powerful enought to venture beyond the portal. "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4930 days, 9 hours, 37 minutes and 1 second ago. |
Morio: but in this case, Molach did manage to kill Nonnak, so Thrundarr should've opened the gate. The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5605 days, 10 hours, 53 minutes and 39 seconds ago. |
Very interesting, so uniques *CAN* be jellified. I wonder what the cat lord would be like jellified, of if Nuraag-Vaarn the writhing mass of primal chaos would be easier to beat than his normal form (or harder). I don't think attributes in names are transferred, so it isn't possible to have the tiny writhing mass of primal chaos or the cute writhing mass of primal chaos (apparently Kenny just gets transformed into ordinary WMoPC). Khelevaster, the writhing mass of primal chaos would be interesting, though... Hmmmm... I wonder if transforming a non-hostile unique into a WMoPC would retain their normal chat responses or if they would just burble the normal WMoPC way... Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6802 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
kelly turned into a purple j? that'd be funny. is it possible to push kelly off the staircase in any way? i guess not..:| What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5757 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
I think not too - I have tried many ways of moving him off the stairs, and none of them have ever worked. Possibly The Real J. is thinking of saving him first and then luring him to a dungeon and repeatedly leading him over a corruption trap. Could you hit Khelly with a potion of raw chaos before saving him? I suspect that he deflects thrown items, and I'm not sure whether you can wield potions in ADOM as you can in Nethack. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5605 days, 10 hours, 53 minutes and 39 seconds ago. |
If monsters retained their special abilities like spellcasting when jellified it would lead to interesting messages, like: "The invisible writhing mass of primal chaos casts a frost bolt." And if some monsters were transferred from Nethack to ADOM keeping their special abilities... Imagine for instance a nymph jellified... Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6802 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
it'd not be that funny if jellified blink dogs summoned jellified blink dogs:) What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5605 days, 10 hours, 53 minutes and 39 seconds ago. |
Or how about a jellified quickling queen with speed retained... Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6802 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
...[or a quickling bard instead]... What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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Palagran Registered user Furry Hybrid Last page view: 6353 days, 5 hours, 39 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
It'd funny you should mention that, d666. Earlier today I was hunting down Filk to get an ultra ending, when I was hit by a barrage of about twenty magical attacks. I took one step and then was bombarded by Filk, the writhing mass of primal chaos. He approached me and attacked MANY, MANY, MANY times before I finally got a turn. One greater telekinetic blast was enough to put him away. I wonder what would have happened if he had managed to slow me. In retrospect, I probably should have counted those attacks. Ah, well. |