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Echo
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Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 06:55 (GMT -5)

When reading spellbooks, what are the factors that how many spell memorizes you get?

I know that starsign, learning stat and literacy skill are but are there other factors? Concentration? Character level maybe?

(I had a gray elf wiz born in Cup, with 29 learning, 100 literacy but I still got a crap amount of spell memorizes from my books. Annoying.)
Maniac
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Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 07:16 (GMT -5)

race, class, literacy and learning level, two talents, starsign, b/u/c status of book and RNG. Nothing else AFAIK.
Molach
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Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 10:42 (GMT -5)

For the record, concentration helps with the actual reading. Just not with how many castings you get.

And the guidebook hints the "Book" dungeon rooms can help with spell learning too.

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paved
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Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 at 22:36 (GMT -5)

The number of castings of that spell you already have (many = fewer learned), and your level also factor in.
Mellis
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Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 at 16:40 (GMT -5)

It's probably just common sense, but as the relative power of the spell increases, the amount of castings you get decreases. For example, a book of Death Ray may only give you 100 castings while a book of Light will give you somewhere over 1000 for the same character. You may have been trying to read a very difficult book, then.

On second notice, I see that you said books, plural. Maybe you just had a bad run of luck. I seem to remember having characters with high learning and literacy, a spellcaster-ish race, and born in the spellcaster-ish month, and still get crap castings. Thus the RNG's dirty fingerprints are all over this matter :).
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Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 at 04:04 (GMT -5)

I think that Mellis' comment made a lot of sense. Generally, elemental spells are easier, balls are a little harder. Magic Missile is easy to learn, Cure small/serious wounds easy learned, cure crits is medium learning diff., heal is hard to study. Death Ray often just explodes even for spellcasers.
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Maniac
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Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 at 05:21 (GMT -5)

So lets compact all, what is written here.
Factors of how many spell memorizes you get when reading a spellbook:

-Race
-Class
-Starsign
-Learning stat
-Literacy skill
-Talents
-Status of spellbook
-Special room effect
-Spell complication
-Ammout of memorizes PC already have
-Level of PC (BTW I have doubts about it)
-Level of luck (lucky/fatesmiles intrisik etc.)
-And of course RNG

Hope I haven't forgot anything...
Correct me if i'm wrong.
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Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 at 13:33 (GMT -5)

Maybe there is a kind of numeral research on this subject? I mean a kind of general formula with exact effects of all listed above.
I'm personally interested in the amount of influence of Le score on the process.
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Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 at 12:19 (GMT -5)

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Silfir
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Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 10:26 (GMT -5)

Um, as we are speaking of crappy casting numbers... Is it normal for my Lvl-19 gray-elven mindcrafter with Literacy and Concentration at 100 and a Learning score of 20 to get stunned by the power of the runes of a Spellbook of KNOCK? (Repeatedly! I also got To drain and the other things, but "You are stunned by the power of the runes" is just too ridiculous. We are talking about Knock here, for God's sake...)

I can get by without spellcasting, but not being able to learn Knock still is shameful...
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Armada
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Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 12:13 (GMT -5)

Its the fact that you are a mindcrafter...They have the hardest time of all the classes learning spells, even light or darkness is a real burden to learn.

Its because they focus on an entirely different school of magic, therefore this arcane practice which is on the totally different end of the spectrum...Would be very confusing, and go against anything they ever learned.
Echo
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Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 14:11 (GMT -5)

Yea, but in fact barbarians have the hardest time learning spells, mindcrafters are second ;)
Silfir
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Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 at 08:16 (GMT -5)

I figured something like this would be the reason... Thanks for helping anyway!
Barbz Own MindDudz
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Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 05:25 (GMT -5)

Actually mindcrafters are worst then barbs. At lvl 50 with 100 conc and 100 lit, you can't learn light...
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Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 at 06:51 (GMT -5)

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Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 at 13:32 (GMT -5)

From the manual:
"Mindcrafters utilize their mental powers to generate astonishing
effects. The arts of Mindcraft and magic do not work very well
together. Only long meditation and inner peace will allow a person to
awaken the mental powers within, while magic seems to encourage active
and curious minds."

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