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 Arancaytar Registered user Pyromancer Last page view: 565 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
What does the message mean? When I was a beginner, I thought it implied the monsters was immune against this effect. However, it appears that monsters can "shrug off" even spells they are otherwise very vulnerable to - for example lightning bolts on steel golems, or fireballs on Rehetep, or acid balls on Keriax. What determines the chance to have a monster shrug off a spell? How do you reduce it? Move the cursor to the desired position and press [SPACE] when done. Impossible. Suddenly you stand elsewhere. You see an ancient altar of black obsidian. The goblin rockthrower suddenly shouts a prayer to his gods! You are consumed by a roaring column of flame! |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 1 hour, 33 minutes and 6 seconds ago. |
I guess shrugging off is either dodging the bolt or resisting its effect. IIRC higher level bolt spells are more rarely shrugged off so it could be resisting it. If even ball spells can be shrugged off (can't remember if I have encountered it) then it probably is resisting it. After all, how can one avoid something if (s)he is completely surrounded by it. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Arancaytar Registered user Pyromancer Last page view: 565 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
Well, a definite fire immunity for example yields the effect: "It resists the searing flames." If I get that message, I know there's nothing to be done, if it's "shrugging it off", repeated attempts might do the trick. Move the cursor to the desired position and press [SPACE] when done. Impossible. Suddenly you stand elsewhere. You see an ancient altar of black obsidian. The goblin rockthrower suddenly shouts a prayer to his gods! You are consumed by a roaring column of flame! |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5611 days, 1 hour, 33 minutes and 6 seconds ago. |
I wasn't talking about immunity, I was talking about resistance. I presume monsters that are not downright immune to some element still have a chance at resisting the attack. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Echo Registered user Last page view: 3574 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
By the way, are there any monsters *immune* to magic missile? |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5139 days, 30 minutes and 53 seconds ago. |
Shrug is comparible to the (bolt spell, stun/death ray or whatever) hitting AIR in stead of target. As in the monster simply avoids it, like a character with high alertness or luck can do. Therefore no resistance is factored in. Because it did not hit at all, so nothing to resist. Shrug must be some sort of percentage, as you can hit one time and miss the next. One thing that does affect the percentage is: Monster type. (Eyes of destruction have good shrug, kobolds have a miniscule shrug) Factors which might affect shrug could be: Monster experience level (Smarted monster: "Next time that PC starts muttering strange words, I'll throw myself to one side") Spell type (e.g. stun ray easier to shrug than magic missile?) Spell efficiency Spell range (better odds hitting nearby targets?) Character level Character class Character race Character stat (dexterity or mana or even perception?) Anyone done research on this? I'm not even sure if monsters have resistance. (Like for instance Diablo II, monsters could be 90% resistant to fire, meaning little damage. 100% and they'd be called immune and take no damage) We know for sure that they have immunities, and that they can have weaknesses (..badly injured by...) but who know if they have a certain resistance-factor vs. any/all of the elements? Anyway I dont think shrug has anything to do with that. And I don't think they have resistance wither. Mabye if they equipped some bracers of resistance... |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3895 days, 16 hours, 52 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Echo: no monsters are immune to magic missile "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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PowerWyrm Registered user Great Wyrm of Order Last page view: 4503 days, 16 hours, 58 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
Shrug off simply means that monsters can deflect magical bolt spells as if they were missiles (doppelgangers do that with regular missiles). The Great Wyrm of Order breathes light (more) - wow, you feel very smart! |
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Arancaytar Registered user Pyromancer Last page view: 565 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
However, dopplegangers *always* do this with regular missiles (or at least at the levels I've played archers up to). Shrugging off isn't guaranteed afaik. Move the cursor to the desired position and press [SPACE] when done. Impossible. Suddenly you stand elsewhere. You see an ancient altar of black obsidian. The goblin rockthrower suddenly shouts a prayer to his gods! You are consumed by a roaring column of flame! |
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Echo Registered user Last page view: 3574 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
According to Molach's theory shrugging off spells means the monster *dodges* the spell rather than resisting it. Now consider this example: Some monsters often shrug off fire bolts and some monsters often shrug of frost bolts instead. Does that mean that some monsters are better at dodging fire bolts and some are better at dodging frost bolts? That doesn't make any sense. :p |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4065 days, 19 hours, 18 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Were the spells of the same effectivity when you tried this? Besides, it could make sense. Maybe a monster can have a better way of predicting the way of incoming bolt spells dependant on their type. Maybe the monster who shrugs off all that fire bolts has fought only against wizards using fire bolts, and never against wizards using, say, acid bolt. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Echo Registered user Last page view: 3574 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
Hmm, consider this: Molochs move slowly and are very easily hit because of their low DV. Then how come they 'dodge' nearly every incoming bolt...? Quicklings are lightning-fast and have great DV. Then how come they cannot 'dodge' bolt spells at all? Ha, disproved ya ;) |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4065 days, 19 hours, 18 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
You won't get me that easily! Remember that Alertness is most effective for dodging spells, not DV gained by Dodge or items or weapon skill ;) I'd say molochs have an Alertness score of 100 (or still very high), while they don't have the Dodge skill at all. Quicklings, of course, are so fast they think "Thatguycanthitmeanywaycauseimsofast". That's the reason they are not alert at all and easy to surprise by super-fast bolt spells. Ha, disproved ya BETTER ;) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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PowerWyrm Registered user Great Wyrm of Order Last page view: 4503 days, 16 hours, 58 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
As I said it's "deflecting" not "dodging". Non moving monsters would still be able to shrug off bolts... The Great Wyrm of Order breathes light (more) - wow, you feel very smart! |
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NMBLN Unregistered user |
Prehaps it's when the spell's damage roll is so low that it doesn't do any damage, being prevented by PV or some other form of reduction. |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3753 days, 3 hours, 20 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Possibly. Steel golems do have very high PVs. I suppose either PV or DV preventing your bolt doing any damage would result in the "shrugging off" message. However, I do notice that when bolts hit, they seem to do full damage... So perhaps it has something to do with a roll against DV? Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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Echo Registered user Last page view: 3574 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
According to Falldowngoboom's database some monsters have a 'Shrug off' intrinsic. |