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Jules Registered user Last page view: 4770 days, 16 hours, 24 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
Some advice is required please. My Dark elven wizard is in the final stages of an ULE. Everything is done bar satisying Gaab Bay, and the stone circle. I also need to get the trident, so an alignment change from C is required. My problems are as follows. Can I change alignment now to Lawful and still get the remaining quests from Gaab Bay? Also what day preceeds Darknight? (need to get into the stone circle without dying of starvation knocking on the door) Thanks in advance. |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4149 days, 11 hours, 19 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
lawfuls don't get chaotic quests from old crone, as far as i recall. darknight is 30/60/90th day not only night:) press @ and it will be wiritten. you can enter circle only late on that day. i usually do this between 23.30 and 24.00. 7lb helps a lot in timing. as far as it goes to guidebooks advice of standing and pressing >. you can miss chance that way. at least i did once while having certain corruption. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4239 days, 6 hours, 3 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
You need to be C for all of the old crone's quests, so I suggest staying that way for now and getting them done quickly. You'll want to get up to L+ as early as possible after that since it'll be difficult later. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Jules Registered user Last page view: 4770 days, 16 hours, 24 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
Thanks guys. I have 7lb, so that will help. I have also saved all lawful quests, although I suspect that the puppy is long dead and starting to smell a little. I'm wondering just how far back from C the lawful quests will bring me. I'm lvl 49, and although I'm chaotic, I havent been truly evil. If I cant get back to Lawful quickly, then I'll just massacre teryino, eat a few dwarven children, and go for the ULE god of chaos. |
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 Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 5884 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
Wait, doesn't ULE = Ultra Lawful Ending? Don't you mean UCG (Ultimate ChAoS gOd) ending? Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4239 days, 6 hours, 3 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
UCG can't be obtained without turning back to neutral to get the trident. Altars are the best way to get to L at least, though you have to be very careful with them. To get from L to L+ you'll need a very good whip, or tame some companions and find a way for them to be constantly injured so you can keep healing them. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Jules Registered user Last page view: 4770 days, 16 hours, 24 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
Currently C- having done all lawful quests available. I'm going to have to donate a lot of money to the priest in dwarftown. But I also need to improve my stats, 26 str is just not good enough, and willpower can always do with a boost. This is going to be tedious. A couple of things are currently being considered. First wearing the amulet of order while wandering through the wilderness waiting for barbarian hordes to hand over vast amounts of arrows (some slaying etc arrows are always produced). All this while training with Garth using vast sums of money. Secondly, I might scum the ID for POGA. So close, but its going to take a lot of game time to get through the gate. |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4149 days, 11 hours, 19 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
well, i wouldn't do quests untill L. and if you are smthing over lv 40 amulet order really doesn't work. in general higheryour level slower the job. so use altar to get to LN. then as a wizard use healing on pet. just put in TOEF, and heal every turn. and barbarians tend to get tougher after killing large hordes of them. but you'll meet quicklings in process so it may be nice. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 11/15/2006 at 05:40 (GMT -5) by Soirana] |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
Changing alignment at high levels isn't particularly difficult. Healing pets, IMO, is the easiest strategy - easily accomplished at the underwater cavern. You can also pay the dwarven priest 1 million in gold to jump from C to N - again, easily achieved with the casino. |
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Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 5884 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
Might the ToEF also work for healing pets? Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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Taz Registered user Registered user Last page view: 5025 days, 9 hours and 1 second ago. |
yeah. more risky to your equipment though. also, does the water cave corrupt? if it does, it's still probably not as corrupting as ToEF. Taz: A potion of gain attributes (4s) is lying here. Suddenly a stone block hits your head! Something on the ground is smashed to pieces! PeanutGod: Awwww no! How harsh is that! This is where you need the artefact 'mop and bucket'. |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5141 days, 11 hours, 57 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
It takes time to get to L+. LN starts at +1000 points, and then you hit L when you are +1250. But L+ is +5000 or more, and that is 20 times as long as it took to get from LN to L. Makes one get kinda impatient. Healing a pet (any spell will do) gives 6 stones, so to get from basic LN to L+ takes 666 healings...evil. (Probably rounded to 667 though) One way to go to L+ is self-flagellation. This is often problematic with high-level chars, because they invariably have high toughness, which gives natural PV, and you need to be hurt for this to work. (Incidentally, this is an arguemnt against taking +PV talents if you think about Lawful Ultra Ending) I always pick up and ID whips/scourges. Because if I find a good one like whip of slaughtering I can really lay down the hurt even thru toughness-PV. I havent found any table of how much this changes, mabye it's one stone per damage point? Also remember that sickness lowers toughness a bit. And cursed potion of boost toughness can be temporarily decent for this. Blessed amulet of order stop working completely at level 47. And around level 40 it starts becoming a major waste of time. At level 46, to go from LN (lowest) to L+ you need to wait 40 000 turns with blessed amulet. Its always best to bless amulet if you need to change alignment, do so. Unless you are very low level (around 10) then it doesn't matter THAT much. Uncursed stops working at level |
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Jules Registered user Last page view: 4770 days, 16 hours, 24 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
Thanks for the advice. I'm going to give it a go tonight. It will take some explaining to my work colleagues, if they ask, why I am playing a character who is standing naked in an underground waterfilled cave, whipping myself whilst healing a drowning goblin pet !!!!!! |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5141 days, 11 hours, 57 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
I just got a disturbing mental picture in my head. A naked adventurer smacking himself with a great slaughtering whip with one hand, and healing a drowning, loyal follower with the other hand, all the while puking his guts out (sickness to lower toughness) and being very wimpy-looking (cursed boost toughness potion) Someone should draw that picture, and use it for ADOM-recruitment poster. "Another normal day in the Ancient Domains Of Mystery game" [Edited 1 time, last edit on 11/17/2006 at 08:18 (GMT -5) by Molach] |
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Taz Registered user Registered user Last page view: 5025 days, 9 hours and 1 second ago. |
i've never tried self-flagelation (in the game and real life), so i dont know how the message goes, but add this to that picture: You whip yourself. Bob the goblin yells "yeah baby!" You touch Bob the goblin (to heal him) Taz: A potion of gain attributes (4s) is lying here. Suddenly a stone block hits your head! Something on the ground is smashed to pieces! PeanutGod: Awwww no! How harsh is that! This is where you need the artefact 'mop and bucket'. |
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Blacklion Registered user Jellies... BAH! Last page view: 5005 days, 12 hours, 39 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
"Another normal day in the Ancient Domains Of Mystery game" Mwahahaha! |
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Taz Registered user Registered user Last page view: 5025 days, 9 hours and 1 second ago. |
about self flagelation, does it work if you equip items with negative PV? would cursed scrolls of protection help get that kind of armor? having high toughness wouldnt be a problem in that case then, yeah? Taz: A potion of gain attributes (4s) is lying here. Suddenly a stone block hits your head! Something on the ground is smashed to pieces! PeanutGod: Awwww no! How harsh is that! This is where you need the artefact 'mop and bucket'. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4239 days, 6 hours, 3 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
I'm fairly sure it doesn't have an effect, nor does the level of tactics you choose affect the damage (or your strength for that matter). For instance I was recently trying to whip myself with a high level drakish healer - toughness somewhere around 40 or 50. I had to take off everything, even stuff with 0 PV, for it to have any effect, and even then the whip of slaughtering only caused damage about 1 in 3 times regardless of what tactics setting I used and even though my strength gave huge damage bonuses. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5141 days, 11 hours, 57 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
Well 1d30 makes only the big hits go through your PV. I do think negative PV is good for whipping. Save up any you find and stash them safe. |