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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
I am currently doing this in Darkforge with Lawf'okong, a trollish wizard: Here's what I'm doing:used wand of monster creation like 5 times till I got a brown worm. I let it breed so it filled up all the pool and spaces on the floor, in the area so the are was secluded. The rest was luck: I kept drinking from one of the pools, it drained, so I killed one of the worms, go another spot to drink as soon as they spawned to fill in the empty spot. I got another wish!!!Since the worms and me occupied all the squares and there were water squares seperating the pool room from the hallway, All of the greater molochs from wishing for Emperor Moloch aren't able to touch me! I killed the worms, and had to lure some of the GM's so i could blast them with magic missile/lightning bolt(bouncing spells for two hits) and I used arrows to lure them back if they started to run. When I think they're weak, I slow myself, and after 6 or 7 GM's, I'm ;level 24.I am DEFINITELY going to beat the game:D Unfortunately no GM's have dropped any hulking armor yet....it takes me at least 25 castings of Magic missile to kill one GM, so I may have to teleport out of Darkforge, so I can go to Library awhile.Smartest thing I've ever done:D "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4233 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Hah, not bad. The molochs are probably crumpling up the level - watch out for them coming through the walls. And you'd better hope to hell there's not one sitting hext to the stairs when you teleport there. Have you told Blup where his mom is? Cause if you get the RCT and bless it then you can make short work of the greater molochs. To be honest I'm amazed your magic missile works on them. Impressive tactics! I'll have to try doing something with the Tarindil character I created some time... Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
It's darkforge, so they can't dig:D I have Magic Missile at level...27? Lightning bolt at level 15.If only the Lawf'okong in the story was this powerful:D Oh, and for some reason, the GM's are congregating in the south-eastern tip of the level...dunno why...and they are lil pansies, constantly gettin scared. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5607 days, 22 hours, 37 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Magic missile at level 27 ? Bah, that's nothing ! My archmage had magic missile at something like level 110. Takes a helluva lotta castings to get there, BTW. As for magic missile working on GM's it does actually work on just about anything. Some monsters may resist it sometimes but a high level MM is a real killer. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Real J: You can't really "Bah" at my character. He's not an archmage, doesn't plan on it, but he has 5 other spells in the twenties already....I like to be as well rounded as possible. Note: When you said the MM is a real killer, the one it's killing is sometimes yourself:D That's the one main strength and weakness of Magic Missile, IMHO. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/26/2007 at 04:34 (GMT -5) by nOOb-mAsTeR] |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5607 days, 22 hours, 37 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Well, yeah. Getting spell levels to twenties is not that hard - just keep casting and you'll get there. Eventually. Getting enough spell points for all those castings may be a pain, but my archmage got absolutely shedloads of spells by scumming the BDC and the bookshop in PC (even found a wishbook from the bookshop after buying it out numerous times). About MM being self-killer: I know. I've accidentally executed my char with MM couple of times. One potential game-winned foolishly executed himself in D50 while trying to clear out those side rooms with chaos mutants, one in bug temple. In that respect death ray is better - if one has DR resistance misdirecting it won't prove fatal. Then again DR doesn't affect all monsters - MM does. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
I think that my strategy would also be good for archers too, with tons of demon slaying ammo of course though. I still have like 10 GM's to kill...school is taking up my time "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Boy, my strategy for exp is outclassed by Tjianin(sorry if I mispelled). His is 100x better,good equipment too. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Red October Registered user Last page view: 5667 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Magic Missile works on everything. I've gotten to the point where I can kill Elder Karmic Wyrms (or whatever they are) in about three shots of it. Vaults of those guys are really handy, actually; the corpses grant lucky/fate smiles and remove cursing and dooming, which is really useful. Battle Bunny: "Ach, maybe his Christian altar was stepped on. By a moloch." |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Well, that char died(accidentally held down"6") got killed by stone ooze while berserk(gaaghh!) so decided to savescum(I rarely do this) and am currently level 44 via wish engine that I made after dying...will be my first save-scum win. That's my main killer, carelessness. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Red October Registered user Last page view: 5667 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
I don't consider it cheating in the slightest if you reload after you do something like that. Look at it this way -the interface between you and the computer is imperfect. No difference between pressing the wrong key or getting one stuck than having a crash or something, IMHO, and no reason for even a hardcore no-save person to worry about it. Battle Bunny: "Ach, maybe his Christian altar was stepped on. By a moloch." |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
So he's still legitimate?!?!YESS!!!!He's currently level 47(wishing for Emperor Moloch in Wilderness) speed of 347, knows wish, knows all spells from library, stats almost maxed out....unfortunately I've already been crowned so I can't go for an ULE. I've saved alot since my computer seems to crash when I do good. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
nonsense. pressing wrong keys is not a reason to reload char. berserking stone ooze without paralysis resistant is not a reason. any your actions is not a reason to reload dead char. power failure is another thing. or Adom crash. there is a difference between these. if you don't feel it, well, i feel sorry for you. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5135 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
I think I agree. It's a very fine line to cross, but allowing accidents like that to be restarted can quickly lead to...savescummingness. I often play on a laptop, and it's a bit tedious to use the movement keys - have to hold fn-key and press 'u' to go west (4). I can use arrows, but no speedwalk then, and no diagonal movement. And a few times I've gotten into trouble. It's very easy to take a wrong step, and at least once I did a nice full heal with water orb when at full health (wanted '4' then 'y' to open door, instead got 'u' chaos orb? y.) However the interface is a part of the game. It's like saying that you should reload when you get killed in BF2 because you didn't turn with your mouse fast enough... Being careful is the best advice one usually gives when people complain how hard the game is...and care is connected both with your perception of what goes on, and your responses to situations. When you press the wrong key that is solely your own fault. Not the power company or the programming bug. But what would you do if your 8-year nephew loaded up a great saved char and got him killed? Or if your cat stepped on the 'S'elf destruct key... |
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Cat Lord Lord Registered user Not really Last page view: 5439 days, 8 hours, 41 minutes and 28 seconds ago. |
Would you consider accidently pressing Q instead of S when holding down shift save scum worthy? How about, having 1991 stones and a si in your inventory while walking on pirana lake? I believe only crashes, other people playing, accidental quits, and the like merit save scum (or testing something out, with no consquence whatsoever). Homework is not meant for home! It's a sick verbal coincidence! -My brother |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4233 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Aye, I agree. The difference is in what you are in control of. As Soirana pointed out, it was carelessness that led to the demise - not just in the key presses, but also in the way you were playing the game. Sorry, noob :( Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 5821 days, 11 hours, 58 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
Just see it like this. If it hasn't been your fault in any way - e.g. the computer crashes or the electricity goes away - then please reload, and I'd save any decent char for that. However, just because you accidentally press the wrong key/play at 3 A.M./your cat steps on the keyboard, that's not a reason. It's like saying in an online game: "I was AFK, had to go get dinner" or "Sorry, my mouse didn't work". These crappy excuses won't get you anything, even if they're true. So this is savescum. (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
i give you better sample: char tries to start wish engine. scums potion shop in D30+ and casino. gets 25+ potions of exchange, corupted and bored. saved here. potions doesn't give any RoDS. char goes somewhere else. power crash. (real one i spent whole day without electricity) restore: on dip number 3 -- 19RoDs. 10 potions after again RoDS. would you call this legitimate? it wasn't my fault. and yet i had enormous bonus form using backup. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
I haven't scummed it(via savescumming besides reloading a previous save that was 5 days before it), but since you seem to know what you're talking about, I'm not going to consider it legitimate. The only time I savescummed was when I revived Lawf'okong since I held key down for too long. I'm still going to consider in my mind this char legit, cuz I'm pretty proud and will still consider this char my first win. I did not do the latest example that Soirana put, I had 45 potions of exchange when I started(Yggaz/random drops) so I only savescummed once. That's just my opinion, i'm not going to post the win(provided I do), but still feel that it is legit. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4233 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Well, as long as you realise that others will disagree with that. Of course the fact is that game is about enjoyment, so you should enjoy it and feel proud of what you do regardless of waht others think. Still, I think if you do win with this character it will make you more determined to win beyond doubt, and maybe you'll be even prouder when you achieve that. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5470 days, 7 hours, 6 minutes and 22 seconds ago. |
Honestly, I think that this would be legitimate. If you hadn't gotten that bonus you would have played on without the least shame and almost everyone would agree that it was legitimate. Although that probably wouldn't stop me from feeling guilty about it if it was me. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
I'll repeat myself: I had the wish engine capabilities BEFORE i died due to carelessness. I just failed to notice before that I had those capabilities. That's why I now have started to do equipment/item inventory checks every ingame day. I don't feel guilty because of my first sentence. I'm not submitting as a win, am eager to finally have my first taste of the endgame. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
don't take too personal. example was really my char. sort of human archer. it was given just to find edge in moral question when char can be revived and when not. luckily char in question died somewhere in the middle of engine. p.s. 45 potions is not a quaranteed start of engine. i have seen streaks of over 150 dips without RoDS. with crwoned char wearing ankh and ring of master cat. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Well, for me it took around 20 dips,and as they say, the rest is history. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5135 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
Has it been proved/disproved whether luck is a factor in getting RoDS from exchange dips? I think it is less likely than a pool wish, but still possible, programming-wise. But mabye not. I should fire up some test char and check it out... Wearing Ankh is obviously no hassle, but getting the master cat ring IS. But mabye regular, plain rings of luck have same effects as that one... |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4233 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Don't see what's special about the master cat ring - it just gives the same luck and fate smiles intrinsics as from high piety. The ankh gives a different "lucky" intrinsic on top of normal luck, which is why a lot of people consider it special and useful for getting wishes etc (though unproven). Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
if someone is interested in testing i could share a same char i used to find out probabilities of RoDS. it has more than enough potios of exchange. you'll only need to take off luck items and maybe to remove fate smile/lucky and do diping. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5470 days, 7 hours, 6 minutes and 22 seconds ago. |
BoW(luck), Purifier(luck), RotMC(fate), Anhk(fate+luck), RoL, and Preserver(luck). will all stack upon the "Fate smiles" and "lucky" intrinsics, I think. Potion of insight would say (enhanced through items) which would make them seem to stack. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Well, I technically won. I destroyed all of the wimps around gate, wand of destruction, currently going to ID to kill Malakai, just for heck of it, maybe I'll run into Filk too. I'm not going to leave ever, since this isn't a "proper" win, and going to see how long this char lives. I'm going to do my Satanist challenge with it....:D "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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mooseproduce Registered user Last page view: 6280 days, 17 hours, 2 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Isn't luck applied every time a dice is rolled to nudge it in the PC's favour? Like... the wonderful thing about object oriented programming is that you can have a dice-rolling function, used for every dice roll in the game. If the luck code is INSIDE that function, then it is applied to EVERY SINGLE DICE ROLL EVER. I would assume that's how B-Thom implemented it, unless he likes PAIN and mental ANGUISH. :| Zoop de Whoop |
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