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Wanderer Unregistered user |
I ventured into the Tower of Eternal Flames for the first time today. I made it to the top with relative ease. I met the Wyrm at the top, flung some ice bolts at it. Two energy blasts later I was very dead. Is there any way to reduce the damage you take from the energy blasts? I was hit by one, healed myself, hit by another which killed me. |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4144 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
IMHO: lots of blast damage comes from elemental source, mostly lightning. usually chars wear at least elemental gauntlets so it's slightly reduced. with ring of immunity one of my chars was intaking 75hp per hit. not nice but dealable. this part is obviously nonelemental. you can hunt down lightning izards for lightning immunity. or use crowning and cross your fingers:) high allertness helps you avoid some blasts. other methods to live longer: be fast. it is good point to quaff potions of boost speed. then you trade bolts per blast in ratio 2:1 it is obviously better. dispatch wyrm fast. archer+blessed draon slaying ammo is fastest way. i've done this in one hit. he is not so much susceptable to ice. better use acid on him. even better wands of stunning/paralyzation, stun ray, mindcraft. preferably keeping on fire daemon between him and you. (i assume you lure him into diggen corridor.) once he is off speelcasting dispatch daemon and proceed on wyrm. energy blasts go straight lines,iirc. so if you dig a bit more in your corridor sidewalls, you can blast him with bouncible attack. stun ray, lightning bolt possibly while remaining in safe place. potions of blindness do wonders. it is one of alchemy recepts. i do remember having it from burb root and carrot juice:) the only means of healing i'd use in face of wyrm are blessed potions of ultra/extrahealing and prayer. and getting your toughness up with herbs is very recommended. just in case you need to dish out some damage. overall given level of chars facing wyrm i'd say it is biggest fight in whole game. even if you are going for ultra. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
I'd completely agree with you, Soirana. The ToEF is THE biggest challenge in the entire game, the guide states it as being the difference between beginner and advanced players, depending on their success rate through it. Personally, out of the 27(or 26)chars of mine that have reached that point in the game, only one has died in the ToEF, and that was due to overpraying, resulting in Solars killing me, right after I killed the Wyrm. I find that patience is the key to the ToEF, do not tackle it till you absolutely KNOW that you'll do fine, otherwise, you could be the next filet mignon for the wyrm.... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Tianjin Registered user for monsters - Death incarnate Last page view: 5594 days, 7 hours, 36 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
If you don't have potions of blindness: cursed potions of invisibility have the same effect. They've saved my life many times. I always set aside a few potions of unholy water before dropping stuff on altars - it's very useful - (1)Lower cost of valuable items in shops (eg. stacks of scrolls/rings) (2)cursed scrolls of repair:Cursed scroll of repair - breaks pile of [x]. Blessed scroll of repair - repairs & blesses all [x]. Bless a pile of [x] for only 2 Scrolls Repair - not [x] potions holy water. (3)cursed potions of invisibility - for blinding those you don't want to fight/hit you. Try the TiLiCat! It's experience! Tiger, stuffed with deboned Lion, stuffed with deboned Wildcat, and slow roasted with a mix of herbs. (served raw for Trolls) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/3/2007 at 00:07 (GMT -5) by Tianjin] |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5136 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
I like to have 200+ Hp, 4 good healings potions when I do fire tower. AND some way of killing the Wyrm. To satisfy last requirement, I've more and more come to the conclusion that a nice heavy melee attack (like two-handed eternium sword with some skill invested, always find them in darkforge) is very nice. Less chance of those energy bolts when close to him, I imagine. But I like to have reliable, fast healing. And for that only prayer, water orb or good healing potions will work. (Well I suppose high-efficiency healing spells could, but that is a more theoretical thought. You'd need something like +100 efficiency to make it safe enough). I usually do it after I've done everything I can do on the surface with possible exception of minotaur maze and bug temple. So my recent Troll Monk had to do it at level 15 just now (total success), and my last winner, human priest did it at level 28 after rift. Next time, play a character with alertness skill, helps avoid the evil bolts. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/3/2007 at 04:18 (GMT -5) by Molach] |
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Cat Lord Lord Registered user Not really Last page view: 5439 days, 15 hours, 35 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
Soirana, it's not lightning damage. Standard Magic missile, so if you have immunity nothing cool. No real way to take less damage, just get more HP and loads of potions. Homework is not meant for home! It's a sick verbal coincidence! -My brother |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
Excellent race:Dark Elves, for alertness+find weakness. I find that they are imho the best race in the game, since I find hp regen easily compensated with high speed from quickling tree, or just random drops of troll blood. The only thing that can kill a dark elven barbarian with 99 St and To with vanquisher is yourself:( If you can't figure it out, I died to a Doppleganger King in the ID after retrieving Sceptre of Chaos. To add on to methods of slaying the wyrm, use up your mana if you are really weak by writing scrolls of familiar summoning, bless em, then read them on top level, if you get several ancient karmic dragons or if you're lucky, a greater moloch or two. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4144 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
>Soirana, it's not lightning damage. Standard Magic >missile, so if you have immunity nothing cool. try without any lightning resistance and immunity and you will see a difference. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/3/2007 at 20:49 (GMT -5) by Soirana] |
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Some guy Registered user I'm baaaack. Last page view: 5597 days, 21 hours, 6 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
I've never noticed an elemental component of those energy rays, but I don't doubt that it could be partly lightning. Monster magic missile attacks are purely based on fire resistance, it seems. Tianjin: I've heard before that cursed scrolls of repair can make any item "broken", but your idea is VERY ingenious! That's the only way I've heard of to bless a pile of items of any size. You could use that to get many blessed herbs with low herbalism, or an archer could bless his entire pile of 300 arrows, etc. Actually, those are the only two practical uses I can think of. The following is a real Adom message: The homunculus hits you. You suddenly fall asleep! Do you want to continue to read the spellbook of Calm Monster? [y/N] |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
I've never played archers before,because they've never had a good melee weapon and die. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5136 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
NoOb: Try playing an archer now (that you are experienced enought). And you will see a difference. Try to think of the missile attack as "magic" as in a wizard characeter, something to preserve until the need arises sort of thing. Hm. I let each&every char I play develop a certain proficiency in melee weapons, wizards and fighters alike. Archers have a deadly ranged attack, but they have to be able to defend themselves in close combat. In fact, your archer should strive to become a master of a melee weapon in addition to the precious missile weapons. Like, fire a few arrows at the approaching enemy, then hack him to smitherens once he is hurt and nearby. And for the love of BOG, look at the clvl 50 power...TRULY penetrating arrows? Yes please. Play smart, win. |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
Would going for dual wielding daggers(needle+sting) be good for an archer? I really can't see an archer using a bulky sword and shield... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Some guy Registered user I'm baaaack. Last page view: 5597 days, 21 hours, 6 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Well, if we want to go for pure roleplaying, I think a medium shield and dagger would be appropriate for an archer, so Protector and Serpent's Bite would be ideal. If we want to go with a practical combo, a spear and shield is appropriate. Like on every other class. I agree with how Molach suggests you play archers. You don't need to train your missile skills right away, just like how wizards don't have to train their spells - they're already powerful enough to kill any early-game monster. What you need to do is get some melee weapon proficiency as soon as possible. And yes, the level 50 archer power is amazing. It's like a bolt spell which can be aimed in any direction instead of just eight - the missile can usually hit ~4 monsters before being stopped, which is nothing to shake a stick at. No monster is immune to this bolt (except dopplegangers), and it has a chance of CRITICAL HITS, something that no magic has. I killed every killer bug in the bug temple easily with this class power. This is also a huge boon in the mana temple, as you can kill the archmage and the chaos wizards with missiles even if there's an army of chaos servants in the way. It's also very handy for vaults, summoners, any group of monsters really. I should play another archer... The following is a real Adom message: The homunculus hits you. You suddenly fall asleep! Do you want to continue to read the spellbook of Calm Monster? [y/N] |
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Soira x Unregistered user |
why you need dual wielding and hacking with weapons? you need good DV -- basically spear and shield. since i don't imagine archer with shield i usually use staves. and ranged weapons aren't precious except if you are in ToEF without ice rings. speaking of class powers: best are energy discounts. clv 50 is not penetrating, it actually turns arrows to mini bolts. just line up enemies and aim at last them. my record is seven gnolls out with one regular arrow. |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5758 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
I want dual wield since in lord of the rings, legolas just uses daggers, among from what I've seen of other elvish archers. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4144 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
from that i've seen you might wish to wield arrow:) flowers in the blood... A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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 Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 5879 days, 6 hours, 46 minutes and 39 seconds ago. |
LOL Soirana... Game challenge! You may only wield an arrow as a melee weapon! :D Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5470 days, 14 hours and 8 seconds ago. |
Will arrows of slaying (dragon, etc.) slay in mele? if so I could've saved a promising elementalist by wielding dragon slaying arrows (which I had at the time, though I don't think I had enough to slay the water dragon in the dark. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5136 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
I'll agree about archers using dagger (only one though) as backup weapon. Questron ("Elf" from Gauntlet) used one, Legolas did (in the book, anyway), the "archer" in Civ IV does. So yeah. Needle + Sting is good for every char, but at the time you get them you are nearly done anyway. Remember to kill the assassin prince early enough to get some joy from them, especially if not going for ultra. (When you surface after shopping in casino would be a good time, so you can start using them in mana temple, and mabye Air and Earth temple skipped on the way) And when I said TRULY penetrating, I meant that multiple-target bolt effect, yeah. Logically, the attack should of course be Regular ADOM penetrating too. I mean, if an arrow was to pass right through an enemy, it would have to penetrate his armor not just once but TWICE to get out on the other side. That is TRULY penetrating, indeed. But sadly, it does not pass through armor. Mabye it's meant to simulate that you shoot them through both ears or something. Like * Archer throws a rock to the left of a line of gnolls marching single-file towards him * The gnolls as one turn their heads towards the noise * Archer fires one well-aimed arrow, permanently removing their ear-wax with one shot. Yeah that must be it. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/10/2007 at 09:22 (GMT -5) by Molach] |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4062 days, 23 hours, 16 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
Nonsense. The arrow bounces off the armor full-speed, mortally wounding the gnoll with the impact, and flying a curve into the gnoll right behind him, bouncin off his skull mortally wounding him, and so forth... You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4144 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
molach: i'm not big fan of that book but could you name episod where Legolas uses dager against enemies? since i'm not elf loving type i must have skipped that. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5136 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
From the Two Towers: [Gilmi] climbed up and found Legolas beside Aragorn and Éomer. The elf was whetting his long knife.[...] "Twenty-one!" said Gimli. "Good" said Legolas. "But my count is now two dozen. It has been knife work up here. (Unlike the *film*, the action is often not explicitly written out.) I agree it says knife and not dagger, I was mistaken there. But according to the omniscient Wikipedia: A Dagger (from Vulgar Latin: 'daca' - a Dacian knife) is a typically double-edged blade used for stabbing or thrusting. They often fulfil the role of a secondary defence weapon in close combat. Daggers may be roughly differentiated from knives on the basis that daggers are intended primarily for stabbing whereas knives are usually single-edged and intended mostly for cutting. However, many or perhaps most knives and daggers are usually very capable of either stabbing or cutting. So for roleplaying a dagger/knife is well for an archer. In real life, that is probably because they could drop the bow and whip out the dagger in a hurry if an enemy got too close. In this game, probably best to just train with a polearm for DV (since you can shoot at monsters even when they are in melee ranger, and you can have the melee weapon equipped at all times) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/12/2007 at 11:10 (GMT -5) by Molach] |