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Dunkel Unregistered user |
well, topic says it all, I've heard about it but i can,t figure how to do it >_>. I know some ways to get wishes but never in a infinite way. |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5135 days, 1 hour, 31 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
Take this with a pinch of salt, as I've never done it. But I believe the theory is: Dip rings in potions of exchange at d:8. Keep wishing for potions of exchange and a little water to bless them with. Once you get enough PoEx to survive a run of bad dipping luck you are set. |
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 Markus Registered user Indie RPGs Geek Last page view: 6194 days, 12 hours, 41 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
Why d:8? Is there something special on this floor? |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3110 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
The danger level I suppose. But, IIRC, that's too low for a a RODS to be generated... A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/30/2007 at 17:41 (GMT -5) by Maelstrom] |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3592 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
I'd try it on DH2 near the up stairway or on the Casino level. For the Horde! |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3891 days, 17 hours, 52 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
then again, if the danger level gets too high, there's a chance that rings that require higher danger level are generated, which in turn reduces the chance of getting RoDS "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 53 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
whole theory is you get aproximately 19x3=57potions of exchange per ring stack. while on average each 25 potions turns into new stack of rods. that means you double your potion amount per dip session. d8 is better than dh2. something like 4percent vs 3. i haven't checked other the danger levels, so i'll just asume decrease is linear. bookcasting wish in archmage style is also probability. p.s. in cases i used engines i wished for scrolls of repair. they can fasten things up. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 41 seconds ago. |
Below D8 it's impossible to get RoDSes, go deeper and other rings get thrown into the mix. Max number of rings you can dip is 19 (very easy to get 18 of a single type of ring, since as you're dipping say a stack of 9 fire resistance, it'll then become 14 cold resistance, then 17 see invisible, etc). The dipping requires a bit of luck in the beginning, and you have to use as many wishes as possible on potions of exchange and possibly water. I've heard it's best to build up a buffer of around 80 blessed PoEx before you can start wishing for what you want. As long as you keep using a couple of wishes on PoEx you won't run out. The archmage style is to get enough PP to be able to book-cast wish (usually through picking up wands with the mana battery corruption). Then keep casting it and regenerating PP. It'll drain your stats to zero, but you can keep casting it as long as you have the PP. General idea is that you wish for everything you want (takes a long time) and include 99 wishes for PoGA to get your stats to max at the end. A "perfect" archmage character will use wishes to get all stats to max, all skills to max, all weapons to max marks, and potions of ultra healing to increase hp hugely. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3891 days, 17 hours, 52 minutes and 41 seconds ago. |
and don't forget about speed "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5757 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
Which is what the current character I'm working on is trying to achieve, and don't forget power points....I've decided that a human mindcrafter archmage is a better idea, since humans are THE well-rounded race, whereas gnomes may be easier to complete challenge with, but for the sake of coolness...human the ultimate char will be. I've only gotten one archmage mindcrafter, who died after accidentally used mind wave with 99 willpower in a greater undead vault.....so unfair.....stupid stupidity is killing me:( "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 20 hours, 18 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
In my eyes, humans suck ass, simply because they can't do anything another class couldn't do better. I think playing humans is more of a challenge than a boon. Only their learning is superior, but there is no class which is entirely learning-dependant. Elves and gnomes still are the better wizards. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 53 minutes and 32 seconds ago. |
humans at least come with food preservation. not so bad skill. until you compare with other races, ofcourse. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3891 days, 17 hours, 52 minutes and 41 seconds ago. |
n00b: that's why always wear an AoLS with an archmage "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 53 minutes and 32 seconds ago. |
why you need archmage, if you still need to rely on AoLS? A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3592 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
Then don't wear an AoLS but get your HP to 10.000 or something... should be enough to take a whole vault of undead with Mind Wave, right? For the Horde! |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5469 days, 11 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
The reason to use AoLS is because there are a lot of ways an archmage can kill him/her self (ie. Magic Missile) "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5757 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
I put my heart and soul into that character....trust me guys, it is not easy to create a mindcrafter archmage(now that I think about it, I may be the first to create one!), and they're very powerful once you get spells really high, though speed is a must have, which makes me rethink my decision and I believe that I will try gray elves from now on, seeing as how they live forever, and are neutral from start. Unfortunately I have no proof that I did make the said archmage, since my parents mistook the flg for crap, and deleted it, among other flg's.... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3592 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
n00b got pwned :P BTW, what were your parents doing in your ADOM directoy? They play too? For the Horde! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 41 seconds ago. |
You're not the first to create a mindcrafter archmage (I've heard of other reports from long ago of people making archmages with mindcrafters and beastfighters who couldn't even read a spellbook of light), but it's obviously still a very impressive feat. I'd say gnomes or hurthlings are a better choice than grey elves - easier to keep alive in the beginning, and they level up fast (very handy for a mindcrafter). Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5757 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
I put all of my nice flg's in a folder on my desktop, and they like to delete stuff randomly..... I guess I'll stick with gnomes, but I'm seeing advantages with different races, depending upon my type of ending: Gray/High Elves:Possible Sun's Messenger, would kill undead, which are a mindcrafter's main issue before I can cast spells frequently from memory, and quickling tree is option for speed. Gnomes/Hurthlings:lvl up fast, would be excellent if going for an ultra, for the speed of gameplay, also mining skill for gnomes and archery, cooking, and food preservation for hurthlings. Trolls/Orcs: .....they don't really have an advantages except for their strength in beginning, but any character can become that buff with time. Drakelings: nothing really special, except healing, food preservation, and alertness. Dwarves: the race of my first successful mindcrafter ever, if I were to get crowned with Hammerhead, it would allow me to do what I've done before, and make awesome armor that lvl 50's would have when I'm level 20, which makes game a ton easier, play game mostly in melee. Humans: ummmmm Dark Elves: I see mindcrafters and barbarians as the most fun races to massacre towns with...though corruption doesn't sound good, but find weakness, alertness, and well roundness does. In conclusion: I'm probably gonna stick with gnomes or elves, seeing as how it is possible for the elves to get a good precrown(possible hammerhead for unlimited mining), and the possibility of getting an undead killing weapon. Gnomes level up fast, but I've never tried elves(except dark elves) before. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3592 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
But the most powerful archmage would be the one that could book-cast wish, high speed, all stats maxed, etc... + a long live span, right? For the Horde! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 20 hours, 18 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
Hm, that would make gray elves the required race, of course. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 41 seconds ago. |
Well numerous potions of longevity could be used on any character. Grey elves are incredibly hard to keep alive in the early game, and even later on they have far slower HP regen than the other classes - it takes a long time to get enough potions of troll blood to let them heal at a decent rate. Of course they also have excellent PP regen, but that's rather outweighed by the Concentration skill. Sun's Messenger is just a small possibility, and requires crowning which you may not wish to do until late in the game. *Any* character will have undead slaying ammo and demon slaying ammo to help deal with those sorts of enemies - hurthlings with the Archery skill are the ones most adept at using that though. Drakelings also have the spit attack which can be incredibly useful for staying alive in the beginning of the game. Got some nasty bugs or undead? Spit acid on their faces. Also have excellent HP regen without sacrificing PP regen. Born in the Candle means they barely even need the Healing skill. Gnomes however have the best balance of initial HP/PP regen in my opinion. Gemology is also good to have - means you can acquire loads of crystals of knowledge early on quite easily. Another advantage to gnomes is that they gain marks in crossbows very fast - handy since most of the slaying ammo you'll find is quarrels. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 20 hours, 18 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
"Incredibly hard"? I don't think that gray elven mindcrafters are that much harder to keep alive than gnomish ones. Choose Candle for your starsign, and staying alive becomes doable for any character. The "regular" regeneration rates don't account for much anyway with Healing and Candle starsign. The excellent PP regen isn't "outweighed" by concentration, but complemented. Your point is probably that with the concentration skill, there's no need for regular PP regen, but the same is true for HP regen and the Healing skill. Save for archery, gray elves aren't at any sort of disadvantage using bows or crossbows compared to hurthlings - their Dex is equal. If anything, gnomes would be most suitable for using slaying quarrels because of their skill training bonus. IMHO, the main factor in surviving the early game with weak r/c combos isn't healing and the like, but being lucky with early found equipment. Find some decent armor and a shield and get to Jharod, and your chances are pretty good either way. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5757 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
Crown of Leadership Preserver Moloch Armor at max Platinum Girdle Brannablin's Cloak of Defense Trident of the Red Rooster or Cow Axe(for damage)or Scorched Spear and Protector(for max DV) Ring of the Master Cat Ring of Immunity Bracers of War Elemental Gauntlets Seven League Boots raised to max(to double speed) Far Slayer or Sun's Messenger Thunderstroke or Silvery Arrow Hammerhead The above stuff combined with the Ultimate Archmage would be quite dangerous...opinions wanted on equipment selection, and how I'm gonna get this many artifacts......currently undecided on race to use.... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 41 seconds ago. |
I'd rather have IronFist over the elemental gauntlets. I'd also rather have Executor above Scorched Spear, or if I didn't want cursing then Serpent's Bite, Skullcrusher or Purifier. Interestingly my current ranger has most of that equipment himself: Preserver, BoW, Skullcrusher and Sperpent's Bite, Protector, ring of immunity, silvery arrow and thunderstroke (though I don't care about those). Also got nature's companion, but I'm using a smithed up eternium plate mail of reilience instead. Have some other nice smithed up stuff (like crown of regeneration [+8, +6]) that puts my DV past 200. Unforunately though the kitty lord had to be put down :( Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5757 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
I have scorched spear for the DV...no other reason. I'd switch elemental gauntlets though, since orbs would be gone. I imagine that with the no artifact challenge, eternium is a must. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Some guy Registered user I'm baaaack. Last page view: 5596 days, 18 hours, 8 minutes and 28 seconds ago. |
Instead of the crown of leadership, I'd smith a crown of regeneration or eternium cap for more DV/PV. The same is more true for gauntlets; both artifact gauntlets have low DV/PV and the bonuses won't help you if you have the ring of immunity and 99 strength. I recommend smithing and rustproofing red-dragonhide gauntlets because they're the only non-artifact gauntlets that can't be destroyed by fire. So you've already made a mindcrafter archmage? Congrats! I don't think I'll ever have the patience to even establish a wish engine. Sorry about the way you lost your character. I still haven't lost a character in that sort of way, but I've come close: occasionally, I very nearly cast a bouncing spell in a direction which would slaughter me. Luckily, I typically catch myself just before I press the key. The following is a real Adom message: The homunculus hits you. You suddenly fall asleep! Do you want to continue to read the spellbook of Calm Monster? [y/N] |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5757 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
Patience is indeed a key factor, Some Guy, which is why I don't intend on trying at an Ultimate Archmage for quite some time....very frustrating and long to do, but indeed the most powerful character.... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Odeshog Unregistered user |
going back to topic- after almost giving up on my gnomish bard to get a AoLS to save Khelly (really wanted that ultraending- tried *everything*) my very last(!) PoE yielded me 14 RoDS, is this enough to get going on an engine? how many PoE do you get for a wish anyway? |
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