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Jules Registered user Last page view: 4764 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Well this is probably the most annoying death for a long time. Excellent character, Khelly saved, TOEF cleared, ROHK, eternal guardian killed, excellent spells from Casino. Good stats, Alchemy 100, and POGA could be generated from otherwise throw away potions (all too often, a POCC is required). Basically this guy was a sure fire ULE. Having cautiously cleared a Giant valut (caution only required to save the loot generated, nothing there was a danger to me), I dedided to do a quick dive. Ran through the already cleared levels. Then on the last level I had already visited, I noticed a pile of gold coins, walked up to them, and was instantly sacced by a Wraith. Forgot that the altar was there, lesson is always clear altars before leaving the level. |
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Blacklion Registered user Jellies... BAH! Last page view: 4999 days, 17 hours, 49 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Yup, has happened to me also couple times. One of the most annoying mistakes you can do yourself if you ask me. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5607 days, 18 hours and 10 minutes ago. |
Shit happens. I presume either the char was chaotic (due to some requirements) or the char was lawful and the altar neutral/chaotic ? AFAIK a lawful char couldn't have been live-sacced on a coaligned altar (similarly with neutral, presumably). Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5470 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
Nobody sacs me on a lawful altar, even if I am not lawful (of course Ki-rins might but...). "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4233 days, 11 hours, 13 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
Ouch, bad death :( It's one of those things that can happen to any character at any time, and you were unlucky that there was a creature there who could sac you. Hmm, and did you even need gold by that stage of the game? I normally don't bother picking any up after the casino. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6163 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes and 43 seconds ago. |
I always keep ALL altars clear. And I try to avoid them in a wide circle if I'm not going to use them. Being sacced by a ghost, a kobold or a goblin really ruins the day. |
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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4593 days, 1 hour, 18 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
So, I gather from what people are saying, that you cannot be sacced on Neutral or Lawful altars? Or only by Neutral or Lawful creatures? In the previous version of ADOM, frigging BATS could sacrifice you... WTF was up with that? I thought they were dumb animals that could only squeak, who made them smart and taught them how to sac? "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3593 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
I've only gotten sacced on chaotic altars. It's probably against Neutral's and Lawful's moral code to sac a living being. For the Horde! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4233 days, 11 hours, 13 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
Neutrals can and will sac you, but only intelligent monsters. Barbarians, swordsmen and ratlings are the ones that you have to look out for most. Lawfuls will too, but hostile lawful monsters are rare. I imagine if you turned dwarftown hostile and stood on the altar someone would sac you. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3593 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
Hmm, two hours ago I was dancing on a neutral altar, and a swordman passed by but he didn't attack him. Guess he wasn't hostile. For the Horde! |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5607 days, 18 hours and 10 minutes ago. |
DG: but if the player is coaligned with the altar (lawful/neutral) shouldn't it be impossible for the PC to be live-sacced by a monster unless the monster was cross-aligned and was trying to convert the altar. After all, lawful and neutral PCs can't live-sac coaligned creatures on coaligned altars. OTOH it would be funny if, say, a barbarian attempted to live sac a neutral PC on a neutral altar and the god got pissed off with the barbarian (e.g. summoning monsters on the barbarian)... Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4950 days, 18 hours, 44 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
That would seen reasonable - if saccing myself pisses of my God, why is it ok for some other guy to do it??? My pretty damm pious neutral PC got sacced by some neutral monster on a neutral altar quite recently - I thought it was chaotic and was it leading onto the altar for saccing... How the ??stone giant maybe?? must have been laughing... |
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Jules Registered user Last page view: 4764 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Still say that my most amusing saccing was when I locked all doors in a room with an altar, cast Farsight, had see invisible intrinsic etc. All possible precautions taken. Stepped onto the altar to get my water blessed !!, and at that precise moment a pixie teleported in, and instantly sacced me. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5607 days, 18 hours and 10 minutes ago. |
Hmmmm... Just a thought. Since most monsters don't see in the dark would it be pretty reliable precaution darkening the room around the altar before stepping on it ? Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4233 days, 11 hours, 13 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
For neutral altars I guess darkness would be okay - I'm not sure of any neutral creatures that can see in the dark. For chaotic altars it would be a terrible mistake, since all orc monsters would be able to see you, and you wouldn't even be able to see them. Also it does mean that you can't lead monsters onto the altar, which is what they're often used for. A fairly useless tactic overall, unless you're extremely paranoid. Invisibility items would be more useful. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4593 days, 1 hour, 18 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
I suppose another precaution would be to zap a wand of monster detection, see if there were any teleporters or things that could bash doors down. You're still screwed if something happens to step on a teleportation trap somewhere on the level and lands in your room. Do you sometimes get a 1 turn grace period before a creature sacs you? I seem to recall being in position to be sacced but it didn't happen and I moved off the altar immediately. Is that because I was out of the creatures LOS even though it was in mine? Or is there some random factor as to whether they will choose to sac or not? I figured if something possibly could sac you, they would immediately. "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5607 days, 18 hours and 10 minutes ago. |
Nightmare: it probably is caused by the ADOM speed system. I don't remember the exact system but IIRC it works like this: the beings (monsters and PC) speed value is added to some counter and if it exceeds some limit the being may perform an action. It could well be that the monster didn't yet have this limit exceeded. Or it could be that the monster hadn't yet noticed the char (stealth perhaps ?) Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |