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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4950 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
Its ages since I was in a position to fire a WandDes, whats the range on those babies anyway? I vaguely remember being pretty impressed by them. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
I didn't mean "no monsters at all on the level", I meant "no monsters around to be damaged in the about three square radius". I wasn't being that unclear, was I? :( And in this glorious plan of mine you don't teleport away the balor; you clear the small rooms with lots of bling, lure the balor OUT of the room by foot, teleport, handle the lever, destroy it while no one is around. The hard part will probably be the "no one is around" part, but with pumped up bling it should be doable. Also, you can use teleport on anything besides the balor, right?. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
The 'find weakness' skill does seem to be the best option. I will get it now, and hopefully have time to train it for the ToEF. As far as D:50, I was thinking about (pretty much) what Silfir is saying. I just planned to lure away the balor, or even just let him bash away at me with my tactics on coward. I was unaware that a WoD inflicted damage on monsters. So now I will try the door creation method. I already have the stuff for that, I just simply didn't remember that as an option. I will not be forcing a restocking of the gift shop. I have now decided against using casino gold in this game, so buying out the gift shop is not an option for me. Thanks for all the advice, I will certainly need more before this thing is done. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
I would almost consider it against the spirit of the challenge to turn down the lure of gold :P Still, there's nothing to say you can't buy stuff from the casino - just not abuse it for money. Wands of destruction can have a very big radius - I think it's linked to willpower like ball spells. What's the door creation ending? I always go for the kill everything approach, but obviously that's not advisable in this instance. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/19/2008 at 13:20 (GMT -5) by Darren Grey] |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
If I can afford some things from the gift shop, I will certainly get them. I had to look up the 'door creation' ending myself. I remembered reading it, in the guidebook, but have never used it before. I'll probably goof it somehow, but it sounds simple. Just enclose the levers with doors, throw the lever, and zap a 'non-door-opening' type monster on top of it. Lock it in, so the balors can't TP on top of the lever. Do it for the other lever and leave. The guidebook explains it better. About character: I have some great news, and some bad news. The bad news first, I accidentally whacked two more monsters with a melee attack. My stratagy for the water temple, was to cast darkness in my dug out tunnel, and lead monsters through one by one. I would stand in the lighted square at the end, and bling them to death, while they could never hit me. It worked perfectly, I never took a hit, but I had equipped the RCT for the dexterity boost. Needless to say, I forgot to unequip it, when I went to lure more grues to their death. I wound up whacking into a grue TWICE before I realized what had happened. This gave I think 8 skill marks for each hit. I made a simmilar mistake a while later, and stupidly whacked into another monster in the dark while unarmed. This gave 6 skill marks to 'unarmed combat' skill. So my chances of this being an 'official' victory are 'OFFICIALY' over! I will still play the PC though, because it is tremendous fun. When I do this challenge again, I won't make so many mistakes. So on to the game and the great news. On D:22, the banshee level, I found a threat room full of karmic baby dragons. Upon looting the dead bodies, I found a wand of wishing, 5 charges. I immediatly used one for 'rings of slaying', and one for 'pairs of seven league boots', but that leaves 4 more wishes that I have no clue for how to use. I considered rings of ice for the tower, but that would mean leaving off my rings of slaying. I have quite decent fireproof gear, and had planned to do the first three levels of the ToEF with just that. This would save my fireproof blanket for the orb level, where I really do need much of my inventory to get me through. Now however, I am wondering if my gold pieces would melt away without a RoI. I just don't know. I have no interest in scumming the strength stat, so rings of weakness are out. I even considered archery gloves, of all things. Anything to get my 'to hit' and 'to damage' up, would be great. I have the alchemy skill, so I could wish for ingredients for PoGA. The only problem with that, is how low my alchemy skill is. It would take a while to even be ABLE to increase it to 100. I will post an edited verbose log file, in case that helps with suggestions.
Berchant St:28 Le:29 Wi:47 Dx:45 To:33 Ch: 9 Ap:18 Ma:24 Pe:28 L+
DV/PV: 80/46 H: 246(246) P: 159(159) Exp: 19/478249 D: 23 Sp: 114
Blessed Bloated
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Weapon Skills
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// Weapon skills are at level 1 because of training with Bart. I started
// with swords at level 2 so that is why they are at level 3. The extra
// marks on 'unarmed' and 'pole arms' are due to stupid mistakes.
Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 19
Daggers & knives 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Clubs & hammers 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Maces & flails 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Swords 3 +2 +1 +0 basic 65
Axes 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Whips 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25
Pole arms 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 10
Twohanded weapons 1 +1 +1 +0 basic 25
Staves 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Bows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Crossbows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 11 +22 Mastery 3024
Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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No melee weapons available.
Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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ÆAmmunition: Î137715Æ, base range: Î4Æ, Î+47Æ bonus to hit, Î1d2+44Æ damage
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Spells
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Invisibility: 3, 19pp (Effectivity: +0)
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Skills
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Alchemy ................... 64 (good) [+2d4]
Appraising ................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Archery ................... 22 (mediocre) [+3d3]
Backstabbing .............. 3 (poor) [+3d4]
Bridge building ........... 29 (mediocre) [+3d4] (mr)
Climbing .................. 44 (fair) [+4d4]
Cooking ................... 8 (poor) [+4d5] (mr)
Detect item status ........ 86 (great) [+1d5]
Dodge ..................... 49 (fair) [+1d5]
Find weakness ............. 32 (fair) [+1d5]
First aid ................. 23 (mediocre) [+3d4]
Gemology ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Haggling .................. 46 (fair) [+4d5]
Healing ................... 72 (great) [+1d3]
Herbalism .................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Listening .................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Literacy ..................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Metallurgy ................ 74 (great) [+2d4]
Pick pockets .............. 31 (fair) [+4d5]
Stealth ................... 74 (great) [+1d5]
Survival .................. 64 (good) [+3d4]
// This thing just will not go higher :(
Tactics ................... 28 (mediocre) [+2d4]
Two weapon combat ......... 35 (fair) [+1d5]
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Effects of Corruption
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You are surrounded by an unholy aura (Ch: -10, DV: +6).
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Inventory
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Total weight: 4913 stones Carrying capacity: 8550 stones
Head : blessed Iron Crown of Havlor (-6, -6) [+12, +12] {Le+4}[65s]
Neck : uncursed sapphire amulet "Preserver" [+4, +4] {Wi+7} [3s]
Body : uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
Girdle : uncursed adamantium girdle [+6, +5] [18s]
Cloak : uncursed hooded cloak [+1, +0] [40s]
Right Hand : uncursed medium crystal shield [+9, +4] [160s]
Left Hand : uncursed large eternium shield (-1) [+13, +5] [54s]
Right Ring : uncursed ring of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
Left Ring : ring of slaying (+7 melee damage, +6 missile damage) [1s]
Bracers : blessed bracers of speed [+0, +0] (+4 spd) [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : uncursed seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
Missile weapon: -
Missiles : 137715 gold pieces [1377s]
Tool : uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Water [100s]
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Stuff
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Total weight: 2984 stones Carrying capacity: 8550 stones
Helmets ('[')
uncursed helm of water breathing [+0, +1] [30s]
uncursed eternium cap [+0, +4] [28s]
Armor ('[')
uncursed red dragon scale mail (-1, -4) [-1, +13] [220s]
Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed blue dragon-hide gauntlets (-2, +0) [+0, +2] [10s]
Cloaks ('[')
blessed light cloak [+1, +0] [20s]
Girdles ('[')
blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Boots ('[')
heap of 2 uncursed pairs of leather boots [+3, +0] [50s]
uncursed boots of speed [+2, +0] (+8 spd) [20s]
uncursed boots of speed [+2, +0] (+8 spd) [20s]
uncursed mithril boots [-1, +5] [96s]
uncursed boots of sneakiness [+0, +0] {Dx+4} [20s]
uncursed greased boots {fair} [20s]
uncursed seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
Necklaces (''')
heap of 2 blessed amulets of light [6s]
heap of 2 blessed amulets of order [6s]
uncursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+3} [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed amulets of teleport control [6s]
uncursed ankh [3s]
uncursed pearl necklace {fair} [2s]
Bracers (',')
uncursed bracers of protection [+0, +2] [10s]
uncursed bracers of speed [+0, +0] (+4 spd) [10s]
uncursed bracers of protection [+0, +1] [10s]
bone bracers [10s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed green broadsword (+0, 1d7+2) [80s]
uncursed pick axe (+0, 1d6+1) [75s]
uncursed barbaric pick axe (-4, 1d6+5) [75s]
uncursed pick axe (+0, 1d6+4) [75s]
Two-handed weapons ('(')
blessed rune-covered trident (+6, 3d12+6) [+4, +4] {Dx+12} [80s]
Missiles ('/')
uncursed dagger of returning (+2, 1d4) [10s]
Tools (']')
uncursed torch [10s]
uncursed tinderbox (8) [3s]
heap of 5 uncursed hexagonal keys [5s]
heap of 3 uncursed tiny keys [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed triangular keys [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed small keys [2s]
heap of 8 blessed bandages [16s]
blessed waterproof blanket [10s]
blessed fireproof blanket [10s]
uncursed round key [1s]
uncursed fireproof blanket [10s]
Rings ('=')
heap of 2 blessed rings of cold resistance [2s]
heap of 2 blessed rings of fire resistance [2s]
uncursed ring of the clear mind [1s]
blessed ring of the High Kings [+2, +3] [1s]
uncursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of minor elemental mastery [+0, +0] [1s]
ring of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage) [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of trap detection (6 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of teleportation (3 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of webbing (12 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster detection (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of stunning (7 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of webbing (2 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of trap detection (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of trap creation (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of cold (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of wonder (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of stunning (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of cold (1 charge) [4s]
uncursed wand of trap detection (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (6 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (7 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of light (6 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of paralyzation (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of light (8 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of cold (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of door creation (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of wonder (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster detection (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of wonder (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of item detection (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of stunning (1 charge) [3s]
cursed wand of digging (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of earthquakes (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of wishing (3 charges) [3s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 5 uncursed potions of cure poison [10s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of healing [16s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of carrot juice [16s]
heap of 2 uncursed oils of rust removal [4s]
heap of 2 potions of holy water [8s]
cursed potion of invisibility [4s]
heap of 6 blessed potions of extra healing [12s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of poison [8s]
heap of 2 uncursed berzio potions [4s]
uncursed potion of visibility [4s]
heap of 6 uncursed potions of invisibility [24s]
heap of 5 uncursed potions of booze [20s]
uncursed potion of boost learning [2s]
uncursed potion of learning [4s]
uncursed potion of longevity [4s]
heap of 2 blessed potions of invisibility [8s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of exchange [8s]
blessed potion of carrot juice [4s]
heap of 7 uncursed potions of extra healing [14s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of ultra healing [4s]
uncursed potion of youth [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of insight [6s]
heap of 2 blessed potions of exchange [8s]
cursed potion of poison [4s]
uncursed potion of sickness [2s]
cursed potion of ultra healing [2s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of water [12s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of cure corruption [4s]
uncursed potion of potential toughness [4s]
uncursed potion of toughness [4s]
potion of potential willpower [4s]
potion of boost appearance [2s]
potion of unholy water [4s]
Scrolls ('?')
heap of 19 uncursed scrolls of identify [38s]
uncursed scroll of protection [2s]
blessed scroll of identify [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of familiar summoning [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of darkness [6s]
heap of 5 uncursed scrolls of power [10s]
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of light [6s]
blessed scroll of charging [2s]
heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of satiation [8s]
uncursed scroll of magic mapping [2s]
heap of 8 uncursed scrolls of uncursing [16s]
blessed scroll of familiar summoning [2s]
heap of 2 blessed scrolls of power [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed blank scrolls [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of repair [6s]
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of charging [6s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of treasure creation [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of luck [4s]
blessed scroll of light [2s]
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of great identify [6s]
uncursed scroll of monster detection [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of peace [4s]
cursed scroll of teleportation [2s]
heap of 2 blessed scrolls of darkness [4s]
cursed scroll of dark predictions [2s]
uncursed scroll of item destruction [2s]
heap of 2 cursed scrolls of magic mapping [4s]
cursed scroll of great identify [2s]
cursed scroll of monster detection [2s]
cursed scroll of light [2s]
cursed scroll of item destruction [2s]
uncursed scroll of teleportation [2s]
cursed scroll of chaos resistance [2s]
uncursed scroll of defense [2s]
uncursed scroll labeled "GNAY-GNIY" [2s]
Food ('%')
heap of 2 uncursed bits of gnomish candy [4s]
heap of 25 uncursed burb roots [50s]
heap of 32 uncursed pepper petals [64s]
heap of 2 uncursed stomacemptia herbs [4s]
heap of 3 blessed stomafillia herbs [6s]
heap of 26 uncursed alraunia antidotes [52s]
heap of 16 uncursed demon daisies [32s]
heap of 8 blessed curaria mancox herbs [16s]
heap of 15 uncursed stomafillia herbs [30s]
heap of 81 uncursed spenseweeds [162s]
heap of 10 blessed alraunia antidotes [20s]
heap of 15 blessed burb roots [30s]
heap of 8 blessed pepper petals [16s]
heap of 71 blessed spenseweeds [142s]
heap of 30 blessed morgia roots [60s]
heap of 60 uncursed moss patches of mareilon [120s]
heap of 3 blessed stomacemptia herbs [6s]
heap of 7 blessed demon daisies [14s]
heap of 76 uncursed cooked lizards [228s]
uncursed lump of gelee royal [3s]
heap of 5 uncursed curaria mancox herbs [10s]
heap of 12 uncursed morgia roots [24s]
uncursed herb seed [2s]
heap of 12 blessed moss patches of mareilon [24s]
cursed moss of mareilon [2s]
heap of 2 cursed morgia roots [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed devil's roses [6s]
heap of 2 cursed devil's roses [4s]
Gems ('*')
heap of 12 uncursed crystals of light [12s]
heap of 4 uncursed crystals of power [4s]
heap of 8 uncursed crystals of darkness [8s]
heap of 3 uncursed crystals of fire [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed crystals of health [2s]
blessed crystal of power [1s]
cursed crystal of health [1s]
uncursed crystal of knowledge [1s]
blessed crystal of fire [1s]
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
Well, the safest way to avoid damaging anything with a melee attack is to make sure to always wear two shields. A good idea anyway because only the shield skill will ever be trained, and thus the second shield nets you the most DV possible with your second hand because you can't train polearms. Apart from that, I'm somewhat confused. Shouldn't the same code of honour that keeps you from using various scumming methods also keep you from using that cheap door creation method? You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
It is not a 'code of honor' that keeps me from using scumming methods. I do not find them to be fun, that is all. A 'code of honor' wouldn't prevent me from smithing, or precrowning. Those are completely fair tactics to use, I just think they are boring. I am after all, using sickness and starvation tactics, for higher stats. You raise a good point about D:50 though, I will not use the door creation method. It wouldn't FEEL like a victory if I used that... If I can't clear the level, I will die there. Character has cleared Darkforge, and is heading into the ToEF as I type this. Still have 3 wishes left, I used one for some SoCR. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
If the guidebook says it then I guess the door creation method could work, but since balors can break down doors it sounds a bit silly to me. As for wishes... well wow, you're character is looking so damned good it's hard to say. You have most of the nice things you'd like. Definitely hold on to one or two in case of SoCR needs later on. You might want to wish for potions of dexterity - an extra 6 Dx wouldn't go unwanted. Hmm, how many boost dexterity potions does one wish provide? They could actually be more handy for particularly rough sections of the game (a blessed boost potion gives something like a +10 boost to the stat sometimes). Tower is tricky indeed. Gold pieces will melt, albeit slowly (a few of the pile will melt a bit at a time). With more fireproof blankets it wouldn't be so bad - you could just keep putting 100 gold in your missile slot when necessary and keep the rest in your pack. I guess give it a few tries with small piles of gold and see how you fare. You can also try without one of the rings of slaying to see if a ring of ice would be doable (one blessed ring is okay to protect your gold, since it doesn't all melt at once). How was DarkForge? Able to take down the golems okay? If you struggled with those you'll have real trouble with the elementals. The wyrm will obviously involve more individual tactics. You might want to get some training with Yergius to boost your Climbing more - a visit to the Rift might be helpful for gaining levels and finding more items. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
Where did Archery came from? another used charge of WoWi? My restart is going nice. Already used RoDS for find weakness and now doing farming for the precrowns (just hope these won't be wyrmlance/executor/farslayer) A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
Thanks for the suggestions. Your comments about the PoBD vs PoD really has me thinking! An extra 6 points all the time is nice, but an extra 30, for the ASB could make the difference. I am leaning towards doing just that! I will leave the potions in 'wish form' for the time being though. The glowing wand is eternium, (I have heard), and so will be more secure than potions. I recieved 4 SoCR from the one wish, and my playing style is pretty fast, so I doubt I will need more than that. So I still have 3 to burn. Darkforge was surprisingly easy. I think weilding 2 shields is like cheating in there. With my tactics set to 'very aggressive', I was only hit a few times. I never went below 200 HP's. Perhaps it was due to the rings of slaying, but the golems rather melted before me. I didn't even have to chance equipping the RCT for the dexterity boost. Darkforge falling easily, gave me a lot of confidence for the Tower. I did clear the first 3 levels of the tower, using only fireproof gear (except for gold of coarse). I took no fireproof blanket with me for the first trip, due to paranoia. Blankets have failed me in the past at the WORST times in there! So I wanted to save them all for my fight with the ACW. I use the method you describe, about taking only some gold in with me at a time. It turned out, that there was no issue with gold melting away on me. I found WAY more than was lost. No monster in the tower gave me any problems except one... no surprisingly not THAT one! Believe it or not, red worms were almost the death of me. There was a 'dark' room that I had to cross, to find the down staircase. I got in, and BARELY got out alive! You see, the room had many red worms in there, and they were breeding like crazy. I couldn't fight them, because you can't throw coins in the dark. At the time, I had no inventory with me, so I had no source of light other than prayer. Since I am playing with 'no prayer allowed', I thought I was a dead man. Dumb luck saved me, I just kept stumbling about stupidly, and finaly found a clear path to a lighted square. It all worked out OK, but was too close for comfort. A grue gave me the only corrupting hit I took in there. Elementals took some HP's, but never a dangerous amount. No fire giant kings were found. There was a threat room of blue dragons, which yeilded no great treasure (I cringed, every time I saw the message 'something is shattered/melted by the heat). Red dragons were very easy. Even the ACW was pretty easy. He did get me down to 120 HP's once, but his bolt spells weren't taking more than 90 per hit. I did use a PoEH then, and that was the only one I needed. I did not use any potions or wands against him. I had them in my inventory, I'm not CRAZY. I just thought that since my PC was doing so well, I would try it first without the extras. I did lure him off the orb level, in case I needed to teleport away quickly. Character is now headed for the casino, and the Cats Eye Ring. Funny, that after all that work to get it, I might wind up not using it. I heard Soirana say that it doesn't help with missile critical hits. The ring of slaying might be better. I will try both, and report my findings. As for the library, I will avoid that place. It has been ages since I last went there. I have bad memories of destroyed climbing sets, and dead ratling dealers. That may have been many versions ago, but that kind of experience really stays with a fellow. The archery skill came from a lucky scroll of education. I had 2, but the other gave me the cooking skill. But I'm NOT complaining! Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
Character just went through casino. Picked up two whips of the snake, +10 and +7. The artifact shield 'Protector' was in there also, but cost 350,000 gold. I had to go sell every piece of junk I had found, plus do some fighting to boot. I found a minor blue dragon vault though, and got lots of gold from slaying them. I think some gold doubling happened, but it wasn't drastic. Next, I got the cat ring, and compared it to a ring of slaying. As far as coin throwing goes, RoS gives 2 more damage points, than the RotMC. The RotMC however, gives 9 points more 'to hit', than the RoS. Not to mention defense benefits. So for now I am sticking with one RoS, and the RotMC. When I hit the earth temple, I may go for the 2 extra poits of damage. I beat the air temple, which was pretty easy. I only took one corrupting hit while there, stupid vapor rats. Picked up the 'you rage' corruption, '(DV-9, +6 melee damage)!'. Well, normally I don't mind this one, but as a coin slinger, the melee bonus is useless. Still it could have been worse, it could have drained my dexterity. For now I will keep it. Ok, I have now completed the earth temple. It wasn't nearly as bad as I was thinking. Although, I do think it may have been rather impossible without the 'find weakness' skill. I had the RotMC DX+16. Two whips of the snake DX+10 and DX+7. Boots of sneakiness DX+4, archery gloves (+0, +4), and to top it all off, the Air Orb DX+10. That's a combined 47 points of dexterity boost, on top of an intrinsic 46 points. Adding up to a dexterity stat of 93, and 4 free damage points from the gloves, AND I STILL COULDN'T HURT THE ANCIENT STONE BEAST. The only way I could hurt him, was with criticals, but they were quite effective. It was only a bit time consuming, and never dangerous. Character is now at exp. level 30. Next stop is the Mana temple. Berchant St:30 Le:27 Wi:38 Dx:56 To:37 Ch:21 Ap:15 Ma:26 Pe:29 L+ DV/PV:169/36 H:400(400) P:228(228) Exp: 30/4013031 D: 42 Sp: 123 Blessed Bloated Coward Shields 13 +26 Mastery 7801 Archery ................... 43 (fair) [+1d5] Dodge ..................... 57 (good) [+1d3] Tactics ................... 43 (fair) [+1d3] // I can not raise these ANY higher. Find weakness .............100 (superb) [+1] You have grown horns (+3 melee damage, Ap: -4). Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
Two more damage of ring slaying compared to 16 extra speed of Ring of the Master Cat? I'd take the speed! Tactics and Dodge is normal, I guess. Apparently, archery is impossible to increase without using "real" missile weapons... Can it be increased by shooting them into empty space? You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Wow! Amazingly well done, gut. Sounds like you had an easier time in the tower than most characters. If you have that high dex in general then there's no real need for boost dex potions - I'd spend a wish on some potions of dexterity just to keep the general dex high. Hopefully mana temple won't be too troublesome. Remember your resistances and a light source... Biggest problem might be the multiplying chaos warriors. Luring the archmage out is obviously most advisable... I've had trouble like that in the Rift before - a very very bad experience of saving up enough gold for ages only to find the ratling trader dead (eventually managed to get a RoDS to wish for climbing sets). Now I always take at least two climbing sets in, one blessed and one uncursed. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
i was surprised today my char received Tactics at... 100. Well, learning was at 35 (crystals +starvation) but that was enormous. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
Starting with the tactics skill at 100. WOW! I think my learning stat was at 13 when I got the skill. I suppose learning means a lot. My speed can be up to 143, but finding it to be a double edged sword. It really helps against the powerful monsters, but yields less exp. points, that I desperately need. About the archery skill, I think I remember reading in the guidebook, about training it. It's something like 'it only trains, if you shoot monsters in the red zone of your missile range'. Well, my missile range has outgrown my visible range. I have tried extending my targeting, past the monster and into the red zone, allowing the missile to 'just happen' to hit the monster on it's way. I did this a zillion times, and it doesn't help. I am now to chicken to use the wishes for PoD. I am realizing just how many turns it takes, to bling to death high powered monsters. Not to mention summoners on deep dungeon levels.I have had to bling my way through two werewolf kings so far. That means I also had to kill 298 dire wolves, 201 wolves, 61 werewolf lords, and 70 silver wolves. I will save the wishes for SoCR, unless I have big trouble. I certainly don't want to create uber chaos servants, but if I can't quickly take out the chaos wizards, that may very well happen. My normal stratagy is to enter while invisible, and in the darkness, wake up the Archmage, and retreat. This time however, darkness is out of the question. I may try invisibility alone, but I really don't want to get trapped in there. I will not use potions or wands against the Archmage, unless there is no other way. I resume play now, and most likely have victory or death today. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
For speed - casting slow monster on yourself could help. About mana temple - i had one idea but it depends on range of your gold coins. As you open secret door Archmage is just in front of you. It is 18 squares distance, but if you can't bling that far you possibly can use something like well trained stun ray (and/or boosted willpower). Waking archmage, IMHO, is critical point at mana temple. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
I did use slow monster on myself vs a great red wyrm. I was wearing RDSM and all he was doing, was breathing fire at me. So that seemed safe enough. I was sorely tempted to try it vs the greater moloch I killed, but chickened out. It was still satisfying, to kill a monster that had 100 PV. Again 'find weakness' is awesome. I can only bling nine spaces. I have decided to do the game without using wands or potions (like blindness/confusion) if possible. I didn't need them against anything so far, and I will give it my best shot, to do the rest without them. Just did the Mana temple. Scratch one Archmage. I did kill 183 chaos servants to get to him, so now they can poison me quite easily. I have some regeneration items though, so I should be OK. The Archmage himself was easy. My plan was to lead him to the stairs, so that I could have a quick escape route if he confused me. I noticed a long narrow tunnel though, and decided to try it a bit differently. I dug out some of the tunnel, to make it two spaces wide, instead of one. When the Archmage came to stand in the narrow part of the tunnel, I stood one space out of line with him. As long as he had a clear shot at me, he did not advance. With him blocking the tunnel, none of the chaos servants could interfere. He kept shooting only ice and 'glowing ball' attacks at me, which did no real damage. I shot back at him, while he was standing in the dark, I couldn't see him, but I could hear him scream. I needed no potions or wands to take him out. The critical hits and a high willpower stat were enough. I did have to use a PoEH though, I wanted to test how I would fair, standing IN line with him and fighting. I quickly stepped back out of line. Now I am crossing into D:50. I am concerned about the balors and (now) chaos servants, but I am not worried about corruption. I have two more wishes to spend on SoCR. I thought briefly about wishing for a potion of uselessness, to throw on D:49, but it's too likely I would get a melee weapon. I think if I don't need to use the wishes for SoCR, I might wish for a PoU on the way back, just to see. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
What this game of yours does prove, gut, is that Fling the Bling CAN be done! Next time without mistakes :) EDIT: Of course, without that wish for Find Weakness it'll be a LOT harder... You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/20/2008 at 16:29 (GMT -5) by Silfir] |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
Finally achieved victory.
Screen shot of D:50, after blinger littered the place
up, killed all enemies, and shut the gate. I thought
it would be better than a shot of the wilderness map.
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Berchant St:31 Le:35 Wi:47 Dx:81 To:35 Ch:21 Ap:23 Ma:27 Pe:30 L+
DV/PV: 37/31 H: 682(682) P: 425(425) Exp: 49/17702410 D: 50 Sp: 162
Blessed Bloated Berserk
D:50 was a nightmare. I wasn't ever in danger, even when Fistinarius hit me, it did only moderate damage. The gold coin damage, plus critical hits handled every thing nicely. It was just the SUMMONING. I had no way to kill the chaos wizards quickly. My final kill count was 366 chaos servants, 289 greater chaos servants, and 151 writhing masses of primal chaos. The chaos servants were dealing ~150 damage per hit. Not to mention the poisoning, which was horrible. It took over an hour to clear it, maybe two, I lost track of time. YIKES. The balors fell also, but it involved a lot of hit and run to do it. They also summoned, not as often as the wizards, but they were summoning things like greater earth elementals. I will post some portions of the .flg.
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Inventory
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Total weight: 4394 stones Carrying capacity: 15525 stones
Head : blessed Iron Crown of Havlor (-6, -6) [+12, +12] {Le+4}[65s]
// This actually hindered my coin throwing 'to hit' modifier, so I
// didn't use it for fighting the bosses.
Neck : blessed sapphire amulet "Preserver" [+4, +4] {Wi+7} [3s]
// Got this early, from a 'surge of power room, on D:13. I don't know
// if I could have won without it.
Body : blessed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
Girdle : uncursed adamantium girdle [+6, +5] [18s]
// No smithing here, just found two scroll shops, and sunk most of my
// scrolls of defense/protection into this.
Cloak : blessed cloak of defense [+3, +0] [20s]
Right Hand : uncursed tower eternium shield (+1) [+13, +4] [70s]
Left Hand : blessed medium obsidian shield "Protector" [+20, +4] {To+2}
// Found this in the casino, but casino gold was off limits to me because
// of the restriction. I had to get the gold by fighting and selling.
Right Ring : uncursed ring of slaying (+8 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
Left Ring : blessed ring of the master cat [+0, +5] {Dx+16} (+16 spd)
Bracers : blessed bracers of regeneration [+0, +0] [18s]
Gauntlets : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : blessed seven league boots [+3, +2] [30s]
// Had to wish for these, but they were well worth it.
Missile weapon: -
Missiles : 121945 gold pieces [1219s]
Tool : heap of 53 blessed spenseweeds [106s]
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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 19
// Accidentally whacked into a monster while unarmed. Yeilded 6 marks.
Daggers & knives 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Clubs & hammers 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Maces & flails 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Swords 3 +2 +1 +0 basic 65
// Started with this at level 2, and training with Bart got it to 3.
Axes 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Whips 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 11
// I plead not-guilty to this one. There were ghost kings, and they
// blended in perfectly with the gold, that was all over the place
// from heavy fighting. I had hit 3 times before I knew what happened.
Pole arms 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 10
// An early mistake. It came from using the RCT for the DEX boost.
Twohanded weapons 1 +1 +1 +0 basic 25
Staves 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Bows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Crossbows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 13 +26 Mastery 4420
// I think this is the highest I have ever gotten this.
Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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Ammunition: Î121945, base range: 14, +115 bonus to hit, 1d2+62 damage
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Alchemy ...................100 (superb) [+1d5]
// Got this at 100 in D:50. Recipe for PoGA was 'boost speed' plus
// 'cure corruption', I mixed up one.
Appraising ................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Archery ................... 60 (good) [+1]
// Couldn't train this no matter how many coins I threw.
Backstabbing .............. 59 (good) [+1d3]
Bridge building ........... 29 (mediocre) [+3d4] (mr)
Climbing ..................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Cooking ................... 8 (poor) [+4d5] (mr)
Detect item status ........100 (superb) [+4d4]
Dodge ..................... 62 (good) [+1]
Find weakness .............100 (superb) [+1]
// I think this challenge might be impossible without this skill.
First aid ................. 72 (great) [+1d3]
Gemology ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Haggling ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Healing ...................100 (superb) [+1d3]
Herbalism .................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Listening .................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Literacy ..................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Metallurgy ................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Pick pockets ..............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Stealth ...................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Survival ..................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Tactics ................... 52 (good) [+1]
// Couldn't train this with coin throwing either.
Two weapon combat ......... 51 (good) [+1]
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His further life:
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After he leaves the Drakalor Chain he is welcomed by his people with great
honors. They acknowledge his noble deeds, his valor, his cunning and his
great skills that helped to prevent the complete destruction of the world he
knows. He is crowned to be the king of all gray elves and lives a long and
prosperous life full of love, happiness and pleasure.
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His achievements during his adventures:
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Berchant, the gray elven merchant, saved the world with his brave efforts
and became a great ruler without even stopping to save himself.
He scored 19827996 points and advanced to level 50.
He survived for 0 years, 88 days, 9 hours, 0 minutes and 24 seconds (106728
turns).
Berchant visited 109 places.
His strength score was modified by +18 during his career.
His learning score was modified by +16 during his career.
His willpower score was modified by +23 during his career.
His dexterity score was modified by +31 during his career.
His toughness score was modified by +28 during his career.
His charisma score was modified by +10 during his career.
His appearance score was modified by +10 during his career.
His mana score was modified by +8 during his career.
His perception score was modified by +11 during his career.
He was unnaturally aged by 49 years.
He was the champion of the arena.
He was the head of the thieves guild.
He made a little water dragon very happy.
He adhered to the principles of the Cat Lord and thus rose to great fame.
He left the Drakalor Chain after completing his quest and became a great
leader and famous hero.
5148 monsters perished under his attacks.
The following 23 artifacts were generated during his adventure:
the si
the scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle"
the ring of the master cat
the golden gladius "Death's Sting"
the Iron Crown of Havlor
// Crowning gift. Along with lightening immunity.
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Water
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Air
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth
the lead-filled mace "Big Punch"
the rune-covered trident
the elemental gauntlets
the ring of the High Kings
the crown of science
the ancient mummy wrapping
the ankh
the hammer of the gods
the glaive "Long Sting"
// Never found this.
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Mana
the rune-covered sling "Whirlwind"
the rune-covered heavy mace "Purifier"
the medium obsidian shield "Protector"
the sapphire amulet "Preserver"
// WONDERFUL!
He possessed the following intrinsics:
He was fire resistant (enhanced through an item).
He was poison resistant (enhanced through items).
He was cold resistant (enhanced through an item).
He was lucky (enhanced through an item).
Fate smiled upon him (enhanced through an item).
He was sleep resistant (gained through items).
He was able to control teleportation.
He was stun resistant (gained through items).
He was paralyzation resistant (gained through an item).
He was resistant to death rays (gained through an item).
He was shock resistant (enhanced through an item).
He was able to see invisible things (gained through items).
He was immune to shock attacks.
He was immune to ice attacks (gained through an item).
He was able to resist confusion attacks (gained through an item).
He had the following talents: Affinity with Bows, Affinity with Crossbows,
Affinity with Slings, Alert, Careful, Far Shot, Good Shot, Greased
Lightning, Keen Shot, Lightning Shot, Miser, Missile Weapon Master, Quick,
Quick Shot, Shield Expert, Shield Master, Shield Specialist, Treasure
Hunter, Very Quick.
He had a final speed score of 141 (final base speed: 135).
He was a paragon of his religion.
He did not ask for divine help.
He was a holy champion of Order.
The following monsters were vanquished:
311 dire wolves
// Blame werewolf kings for this.
177 ghuls
3 greater earth elementals
1 greater moloch
// Had a PV of 100. Criticals took him out quickly.
333 red worms
// The ACW was not as dangerous as these.
// In the right circumstances anyway.
3 werewolf kings
// Very annoying.
What I learned: Very surprised in general, how effective coin throwing can be. I used to think it was kind of stupid, but killing a greater moloch with nothing but coins... is hillarious. It's kind of funny, just how fast the dungeon levels get littered up with coins. It doesn't take long, before you stop picking up the coins you throw. It does create a funny picture though, traveling through a level that has seen some previous heavy fighting. The inside of the arena looks like a shopkeeper exploded in there! It is surprising, even for a merchant, how much gold is aquired. When you are selling off EVERY melee weapon you find, EVERY offensive wand, SI by the ton (because of carrying cappacity), ore of all sorts (if you are not smithing), non-useful gems by the ton and even a few normally useful scrolls like increase melee damage. There are some monsters that are quite a bit easier, or at least more pleasant to deal with, when your not using melee weapons. Here is a brief list: Ochre jellies, can't corrode if you don't hit. Ratling duelists, can't disarm a shield. Karmic lizards, VERY nice, to not have to worry about accidental 'curse/dooming' hits. Cats, just be careful about holding down the 't' key. In fact, I was thinking a bit, about doppleganger kings. I never ran into one, but I was kind of wanting to. They copy so much about a PC, I wondered what one would do, upon seeing that I have NO melee damage? Would he start flinging bling at me? Well, that is it for this challenge. It was very fun, and I will certainly do it again sometime. Just not right away. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/20/2008 at 19:58 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Wow. Just wow. Very major congratulations on this. I always thought of this challenge as a pure joke, but you managed to get a char that could mop up all the main enemies and a greater moloch to boot. This is quite an amazing achievement! What would you say was the most difficult part of the game other than D50? By the sounds of it you actually had an easy enough time near the start and end, but the mid-game had its troubles. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
The early game was pretty safe. Due to missile talents, and gaining quick exp. level ups, I was able to survive the early game threats. Bees, spiders, mimics and the rest could all be taken out at a distance. The only REALLY dangerous fight was against the necromancer in the Griffyard. I rushed into that fight because I wanted the PoEH from Thrundarr. I almost died. If I do this bling challenge again, I will certainly prepare better for Nonnak. In a way, it seems like most of the things I was worried about, turned out to be pretty easy. The ACW, ASB, earth elementals, balors and so on. On the other hand, some of the things I normally don't even think about were very dangerous. There is just no way to express how frustrating breeders can be to a blinger. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Subconscious Registered user Adventurer of the Human Mind Last page view: 5384 days, 22 hours, 19 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Seriously this is something. Tells something about skill level when heres players who have played like years without even normal victory and then you guys do it in like few days and with only coins :D ..hahah My personal fling the bling didnt go very well. Died many times when I was around level 15-18 and then got frustated of it. "The white baby dragon equips the small shield." WTF :D |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5657 days, 18 hours and 14 seconds ago. |
If anyone dares say that's not a legit fling the bling win because you hit some monsters by accident, and didn't even kill them, well.. I'll just hope they get cancer. Seriously, some of those restrictions are STUPID. Like, no sacrificing monsters. Why not? It's not like you're killing them for the xp, as sacrificing monsters gives pitiful xp, why the increased challenge for crownings? No WoD ending because the WoD might put a dent in a balors armour before you flee? Instead you're supposed to take advantage of a "feature", and lock a god damn rat inside some god damn doors and then "win" because, supposedly, monsters that can normally bash doors wouldn't break those flimsy wooden doors and flip the switch after you left the level. This is better than ACTUALLY making the portal useless by destroying the levers, how? Someone please explain this to me. OMG, you gained 20xp because a kobold died to a wand blast when you were already xplvl 50, YOU DID NOT FLINGETH THE BLINGETH! Give me a break. Congrats on the awesome win. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4143 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
...and if you press the wrong key and char dies you can reload save file... Why not? You know that sort of challenge you are doing, so must keep the rules. I do understand Lv1 char accidentaly running into something. If you put your two shields away and put something for dx boost you are taking your risks and you pay your prices. it is same codex of honour. either you play according rules or you don't. if you don't you have no line there to put limit. one kobold is Ok? how about twenty? fifty two? A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4891 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
I knew that the chances of having a PERFECT victory were pretty slim, this was my very first time of attempting this challenge. The first PC I created, finished the game, so I had to learn the ropes as I went. Next time through, I'll know what to avoid. It doesn't bother me that I made a few mistakes, I know they didn't help me. I agree with a lot of what J. is saying, and for all PRACTICAL purposes, this is a 'fling the bling' victory. It's just not a perfect one, so it's not official. It kind of reminds me of when I was first trying to get the RotMC. When I accidentally killed a cat, that was out of my line of sight. I tried to convince myself that it wouldn't count against me. I didn't do it intentionally, and the game could hardly hold me responsible for killing things, I didn't even know were there. Could it? Yes indeed it does. It has to be PERFECT, else it doesn't count. That's ADOM. Having said that, there is a BIT of forgiveness with Bart training. If you accidentally bump into a few monsters early, and gain a few marks, those marks can be wiped away. As long as you don't gain a skill level, the Bart training will set them all even again. The 'wand of ANYTHING' victory is cheap, but corruption is horrible on D:50. It takes a loooooong time, to bling all those summoned monsters to death. If you don't have an extra ~6 blessed SoCR in your pack, you will face real corruption trouble. Good luck with your character Soirana. I hope you get an official victory. With the 'find weakness' skill, it is cerainly possible. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5657 days, 18 hours and 14 seconds ago. |
If 52 kobolds die to your WoD blast when you destroy the levers it's ok. If 52 jackals&jackalwares ambush you in the wilderness when you're lvl 5 and surround you and you use a wand to kill them and escape it's not ok. Savescumming is never ok. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/22/2008 at 06:38 (GMT -5) by J.] |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
Well, that's that, J. When is killing 52 kobolds with a wand of destruction ok and when it is not? Where is the line? When does a bunch of trees cease to be a bunch of trees and become a wood? I agree with Soirana here. If you make rules for a challenge game, you adhere to them. If you make mistakes that make you lose the challenge, that's life for you. I mean, what's the point of imposing these huge obstacles for you to jump over, if you stumble and fall only to say "Oh well, it was only one inch missing on that one, let's just say I did the jump"? gut played a phenomenal game that demonstrated his ADOM prowess to all to witness his tales, and proved once and for all that Fling the Bling is possible. But he did not meet his own criteria for a legit "official" Fling the Bling. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4950 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
Not just phenomenal, but in under 90 days *shakes head* Nice one Gut <ok> |
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soirana unplugged Unregistered user |
>If 52 kobolds die to your WoD blast when you ?>destroy the levers it's ok. >If 52 jackals&jackalwares ambush you in the >wilderness when you're lvl 5 and surround you >and you use a wand to kill them and escape it's >not ok. i do not catch the diference. in both cases if you don't kill some mobs you can't win. Where is the diference between levers and jackalweres? |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5135 days, 5 hours and 17 seconds ago. |
If you set down a rule, which is "no attacking/hurting monsters unless by flying coins", then that is that. Follow it or forfeit. Bart wiping out weapon marks is...I mean the PLAYER would know what he had done, so...the game is easy enough to abuse, so it should work both ways. I suppose, for D:50, one could do that locked-door-monster-creation thing the guidebook mentions. Never done it myself, but that should keep levers safe and kill-count low. |
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