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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
I've decided to try to get a win in under 24000 turns, my current best. To do this, I have to shave off as many moves as possible. Even things that are helpful have to go, if they are too turn consuming. I use grey elves, mainly for thier PP regen rate, and high initial learning stat. For my latest attempt, I decided to skip my normal 'kill Hotz for the gold' opening. It does provide a lot of benefit, for the early game, but it takes ~1000 moves to do it. So I head for the BUGWIL, fire up a torch, and clear the map to the stairs. I reach exp. level 12, and head for the ID. Stair climbing between ID levels 5-6 for 2000 turns yields many 'turn efficient' benefits. A few points of DV/PV, many spells, and probably a blink dog corpse. Actually, most of the turns are taken up reading spellbooks. A spellbook of darkness reads quickly enough, but that 'slender tome' can easily turn out to be 'death ray'. Say goodbye to SEVERAL hundred turns, with no reward to justify it. Upon gaining TP control, I raid Darkforge. This is another highly 'turn efficient' option. This yields great armor and weapon. Spells inventory, after the ID: Darkness, Disarm traps, Lightning ball, Lightning bolt, Magic Lock, Magic Missile, Revelation, Strength of Atlas, Teleport. A great spell list for the early game. I next zipped through the CoC, to the big room. I lit a torch, to extend my visible radius. Using teleports, (to hopefully limit monster generation) I quickly stabilized all available morgia/moss. A spider factory starts, and after some heavy fighting was stopped. I now have no PP's, so I leave the big room, headed for dwarftown. The turn counter stands at ~4000, this is much better than average for this point in the game. Up to this point, the RNG has been good to me, great spellbooks, good equipment, nice herb patterns. Now, upon descending the stairs, there is a lightning vortex. It stands there, one space away from me. My HP is 54, and I know it will kill me if it hits. I have a few options available to me, and chose wrongly. I die in a horrible lightning storm, and could kick myself for it. See if you can guess what I did, and why it was tremendously stupid. Also, if anyone has any suggestions for shaving off turns, please share them. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Subconscious Registered user Adventurer of the Human Mind Last page view: 5381 days, 17 hours, 48 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Im sure you have noticed to turn off autopicks right? Spellcasters are good choise for this one due their chance to hit multiple enemies right from the beginning - good to clear tunnels when you need to pass. Obviously all unnecessary fighting must be skipped, that also means you remain low levelled that might be bad thingy - You need to know how much you can spend time levelling yourself up. Earlygame quests are waste of time when you are trying time attack, Dunno about Thrundarr quests.. No bookcasting, Skill/Attribute training can be timeconsuming. Seems like hard and frustating challenge... In 24000 turns my characters are usually around dwarven graveyard/pyramid and so on. "The white baby dragon equips the small shield." WTF :D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4139 days, 23 hours, 51 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
cast darkness with a torch on? A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Hmm, so your options would have been to pray for PP, read a scroll of darkness, cast darkness from HP, or drink an invis potion. The first one could go wrong if it was too fast and blew up on your before you had a chance to cast Darkness afterwards. The last one would be bad if it turned out to be cursed... Not sure what else could have gone wrong. Don't think I could be that helpful in giving general advice to be honest, since my style of play is all about being slow and careful, and it's certainly at odds with the challenge I've been giving myself lately. A couple of scummy tactics I use might be considered turn efficient though. Gaining shield marks will be a problem for you, since you'll generally be avoiding combat, but obviously you need some decent DV. I'd recommend using spider factories in the big room to get some necessary skill levels. Surround yourself with spiders whilst Very Aggressive and wearing two shields (with other eq that reduces DV and improves PV) and keeping tapping wait. This works best with tarantulas who attack twice a round and can give a total of 32 marks each. With say 6 marks per round, and clearing the nearby ones with fireball every 9 rounds, you'll be looking at 1620 marks (close to shield level 9) in 300 rounds. This is suboptimal - you could easily get over 10 marks per round and clear the nearby spiders less often, which would reduce it to closer to 150 rounds. For an extra 18 DV that's pretty decent. For gaining missile marks (should you wish to do so) then the most efficient and easy way is with swamp hydras. They give 5 marks per hit, and take a huge number of hits to kill when you're low level (you might never hurt them in fact). If you have a decent number of arrows then wearing a dooming item and peppering them in the wilderness can be worth a good few missile levels. It would take 180 hits to get to missile level 9. Coupled with the actual hunting, arrows that miss, and dodging the hydra (they're very dangerous) you'd be looking at quite a few more turns than that though. Plus you may not care about missiles as a wizard. You may want to rely on the water orb for healing a bit more than normal. It's less turns than spense and spells, and doesn't require preparation like prayers. You get about a third of a corruption when wearing the elemental gauntlets, but in a low turn game corruption may not be as much of an issue. Will you be avoiding the Eternal Guardian, or perhaps even using your previous trick of harvesting xp from him and his kin? Slow Monster spell might be handy for not just gaining xp, but for speeding everyon else up so monsters do what you want (ie come within your ball radius) in less of your turns. For D50 WoD ending sounds optimal, but it doesn't take long to clear with acid ball and potions of boost willpower. Same for the other temples, especially fire - clearing them can be good for xp, and doesn't take too long if you have big balls. Not Mana though - just kill the main guy, grab the orb and run. You may want to use offensive alchemy just to get a clear path on Nuurgy. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
I did cast darkness with a torch on. It's just such a habit, see a vortex, cast darkness. I even had an ID'd potion of invisibility in my pack, which would have worked perfectly. I had read the advice on shield marks before, but I guess I had never done the math on it. Seeing it though, it does look efficient. I would not be able to do it early, due to low HP's and low quality items. After I train with herbs a bit, I think it would be a really quick way to get a few extra DV points. I usually don't train missiles, but I may start. I've had to kill the Archmage before, with bows at level 2. I wonder how a swamp hydra compares with the old barbarian. I'm pretty sure he doesn't give 5 marks per hit, but I don't have to run from him, due to the water shield. Usually, I avoid fighting the EG, he just takes too many turns to kill. If I have found a weapon of penetration, I will likely try it though. I had not considered slowing myself to save turns, but I WILL keep an eye out for it from now on. About D:50, I am usually at a very low exp. level when entering. I count on these exp. point rich monsters, to get me to exp. level 50. I think that winning with a lower level PC, might yield a lower score. About exploiting the temples for exp. points. > clearing them can be good for xp, and doesn't > take too long if you have big balls. Heh. That makes sense in more than one way. But unfortunatly, my characters usually fall short in both. They seldom have ball spells at all, until after the casino. The ID can sometimes give them, but again, not much time for looking. I have had many characters die, trying to exploit the temples for exp. points. The earth temple is the worst by far. I will try to exploit the ToEF a bit more though, due to the monsters cold vulnerability, it should be turn efficient. Thanks for the suggestions, and if anyone thinks of more, please post them. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/1/2008 at 12:45 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4058 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
You know, I'd have teleported the vortex away instead of trying that darkness thing. You can call me ignorant of the many fine uses of the Darkness spell, and I probably am, but I'd have survived where you didn't :P You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
gut: Instead of directly running from the hydra you can teleport from side to side. With Farsight this means only having to teleport every 10 turns or so (assuming your bow range is good enough, which it usually is with a long bow). Majority of the fire temple can be cleared in a dozen rounds if you boost your willpower and use ice ball. Relies on having the spell of course. I assume you'll be forgoing the Rift? Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
Yep. The Rift gets cut. In fact, almost all of the side quests have to be cut. Some dwarf quests are neccasary, for the fireproof blanket. I think the ToEF *MIGHT* be possible without it, but I just hate the thought of no wands/potions for backup. I almost always use at least a PoEH. The ice ball spell would be a rare gift, most of the time I have to do the druid quest to get the BOLT spell. > You know, I'd have teleported the vortex away > instead of trying that darkness thing. I know! That's what KILLS! I had so many ways of living through it, but I had to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Some of the ways I could have survived: 1. Teleported the vortex away. 2. Teleported MYSELF away. I had TP control. 3. Drink a PoI. I had an uncursed one in my pack. 4. Magic missile it, maybe even 2 shots at it. 5. JUST CLIMB THE STAIRS AND GET AWAY FROM IT! But sometimes, habits just get one killed. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
I lost my best PC yet to a game crash. Was killing Yulgash, when all of a sudden, the game wouldn't take any more keypresses. The turn counter stood at ~19000, well on pace for a 23000 turn victory. I had saved Khellevaster, and had the lightning ball spell. Having two things like that in one game is quite rare. I do believe this is the 'one that got away'. I will still keep trying though. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4947 days, 2 hours, 5 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
I assume you are casting Teleport from memory right? Now I guess your mana stat doesn't get much training - not much standing around waiting for PP regen in the caverns, no book casting, not even killing very many monsters, but at least there's a use for the 100s of turns you might spend reading Death Ray 'by accident' - you can always cast the ray from memory until you forget it, whilst surrounded by Darren's spider factories perhaps, to do some mana training, whilst you are also improving your DV, and not in urgent need of PP. Maybe even worth entering a wilderness square, casting, leaving, traversing until PP regened, then repeating - an extra three turns traversing the wilderness per memory cast, you might manage to up the mana stat by two or three in less than 30 extra turns, depending on how much of the spell you memorised with that one otherwise disastrous read. Sounds pretty efficient to me, once damn spell in my mind already... |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
That is an efficient use of turns. Sometimes, when gathering herbs in the big room, my PP's run out, due to heavy fighting. I will climb the stairs and read books while regenerating, even 'death ray' if that's all I have. Usually I can regen ~80 points with one reading. If I get a high cost spell that way, I will 'wilderness cast' it, as I travel. I wouldn't want to read while being attacked by spiders though! Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
An interesting picture - the brave adventurer standing amid a swarm of giant spiders, deflecting their attacks with two tower shields, whilst idly leafing through a spellbook, humming quietly as his power regenerates... Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
That's funny! I hadn't actually pictured it in my mind, but that would have to be one dexterous wizard! Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
I just tried the 24000 turn challenge with some female gray elven wizard PC's. It took a few more tries to get one off the ground, than it usually does with the male equivelant, but not drastically more. Once the PC was off to a good start though, she survived equally well as a male PC would. The shop prices were considerably lower, but ultimately made little or no difference in game play. I suppose the biggest difference was in the black market, the female gray elves could always afford more items than the males ever could. By the time I reached dwarftown though, lower shop prices were not much help. I think I got better prices, when selling items to waldenbrooke, but it wasn't enough to change the time when I was able to afford a crowning. The PC died on D:50 while trying to acid ball some balors, which is quite a normal death for this challenge. The turn counter stood at 24362, which is quite respectable. I *THINK* I noticed some differences in game play between male and female PC's. I am not sure yet though, because I have only played one female, all the way through. I think different spellbooks may be more likely for females than males. I will not be sure though, until I have played several more through. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
I find it very unlikely that there is any relation like you say. Remember that it's easy for the brain to imagine patterns that aren't there. Well done on getting so far in so little time - hopefully next time you can shave a little extra off and manage a victory. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Narcolepcy Registered user Last page view: 4796 days, 19 hours, 44 minutes and 16 seconds ago. |
I got my config set so that it randomly chooses male or female for me, And I must say that I never even know what gender I am, it is totally unoticable when your not in a shop. The brain has a very strong influence over us. For instance sugar pills, or placebos, can cure real illnesses. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/7/2008 at 15:54 (GMT -5) by Narcolepcy] |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
For any who may be interested. My latest attempt at the 24000 turn win, is currently in progress. The PC is looking good so far. I have obtained the elemental gauntlets, and am currently in the ID for books. The turn counter is on 6000, and that is ahead of pace for the challenge. I have lucked out, finding an early teleport book. Now I just need a bit more offense, I don't want to use my frost bolts for non-tower monsters. I had to break my 'no saving' rule, because of the roman republic game. So if I win, I will not get the message 'she saved the world with her brave efforts, without even stopping to save herself. Oh well.
Sdf St:14 Le:22 Wi:23 Dx:26 To:12 Ch:13 Ap:24 Ma:26 Pe:24 N-
DV/PV: 19/12 H: 67(67) P: 69(177) Exp: 15/148204 I2 M: 6006
Satiated Strained
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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Daggers & knives 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Clubs & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Maces & flails 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Swords 2 +2 +0 +0 basic 80
Axes 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Whips 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Pole arms 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Twohanded weapons 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Staves 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Bows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Crossbows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 1 +2 basic 14
// Woohoo!! No seriously, this is not unreasonable for this point in the
// game. I will have to get my toughness up a bit, before I feel comfortable
// exploiting monsters for shield marks.
Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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ÆRight hand: Î+24Æ bonus to hit, Î3d7+11Æ damage
Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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ÆAmmunition: Î14Æ, base range: Î7Æ, Î+21Æ bonus to hit, Î1d6+8Æ damage
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Spells
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Darkness : 607, 4pp (Effectivity: +0)
Fire Bolt : 114, 5pp (Effectivity: +17)
Frost Bolt : 736, 9pp (Effectivity: +8)
Knock : 478, 10pp (Effectivity: +2)
Light : 401, 3pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Map : 253, 32pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Missile: 131, 4pp (Effectivity: +20)
Slow Poison : 244, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Teleportation: 393, 18pp (Effectivity: +0)
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Skills
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Alchemy ..............100 (superb) [+2d4]
// PoGa= youth+longevity
Climbing ............. 42 (fair) [+2d4]
Concentration ........100 (superb) [+2d4]
Dodge ................ 42 (fair) [+1d5]
First aid ............ 58 (good) [+1d5]
Haggling ............. 21 (mediocre) [+3d4]
Healing ..............100 (superb) [+1d3]
Herbalism ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Listening ............ 43 (fair) [+3d5]
Literacy .............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Stealth .............. 69 (good) [+1d5]
Ventriloquism ........ 52 (good) [+1d5]
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Inventory
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Total weight: 2018 stones Carrying capacity: 1400 stones
Head : adamantium cap [+0, +2] [36s]
Neck : uncursed amulet of greed [3s]
Body : uncursed mithril ring mail (-1, -1) [+1, +5] [240s]
Girdle : cursed mithril girdle [+0, +2] [20s]
Cloak : uncursed hooded cloak [+1, +0] [40s]
Right Hand : uncursed broadsword of mayhem (+2, 3d7+7) [80s]
Left Hand : uncursed small crystal shield [+5, +0] [72s]
Right Ring : blessed ring of stun resistance [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of searching [1s]
Bracers : -
Gauntlets : elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : uncursed gnomish boots (+1, +0) [+2, +0] [10s]
Missile weapon: uncursed short bow of accuracy (+7, +0) [20s]
Missiles : bundle of 14 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [28s]
Tool : heap of 18 blessed spenseweeds [36s]
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Stuff
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Total weight: 1421 stones Carrying capacity: 1400 stones
<snip most 'dropworthy' equipment>
Shields ('[')
uncursed medium shield [+3, +4] [100s]
Necklaces (''')
uncursed amulet of protection from constructs [3s]
uncursed necklace of rabies resistance [2s]
Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed light crossbow of accuracy (+9, +0) [70s]
Missiles ('/')
bundle of 4 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6) [8s]
heap of 4 uncursed rocks (+2, 1d4) [20s]
bundle of 6 arrows [12s]
bundle of 11 arrows [22s]
bundle of 4 quarrels [8s]
Tools (']')
heap of 2 uncursed torches [20s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (37) [5s]
uncursed tinderbox (14) [3s]
uncursed small key [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed plain blankets [20s]
uncursed tinderbox (7) [3s]
uncursed tiny key [1s]
uncursed si [10s]
blessed si [10s]
heap of 3 sis [30s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of stun resistance [1s]
cursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
silver ring [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of door creation (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of stunning (6 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of webbing (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of ball lightning (5 charges) [4s]
blessed wand of door creation (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of far slaying (10 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of acid (0 charges) [4s]
curved wand [3s]
golden wand [3s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 3 potions of holy water [12s]
uncursed potion of potential strength [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of carrot juice [8s]
blessed potion of insight [2s]
potion of unholy water [4s]
blessed potion of booze [4s]
uncursed potion of healing [4s]
blessed potion of boost speed [2s]
uncursed potion of water [4s]
uncursed potion of extra healing [2s]
potion of invisibility [4s]
violet potion [4s]
potion of healing [4s]
oily potion [4s]
potion of carrot juice [4s]
Scrolls ('?')
uncursed scroll of familiar summoning [2s]
uncursed scroll of great identify [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of power [4s]
uncursed scroll of teleportation [2s]
uncursed papyrus scroll [2s]
uncursed scroll of vermin control [2s]
uncursed scroll of monster detection [2s]
uncursed scroll of darkness [2s]
uncursed scroll of uncursing [2s]
cursed scroll of gold detection [2s]
scroll of uncursing [2s]
scroll of identify [2s]
scroll of identify [2s]
Books ('"')
spellbook of Light [100s]
spellbook of Slow Poison [100s]
Food ('%')
heap of 69 uncursed cooked lizards [207s]
heap of 2 uncursed pepper petals [4s]
heap of 2 blessed burb roots [4s]
heap of 5 blessed pepper petals [10s]
heap of 6 uncursed burb roots [12s]
heap of 2 blessed moss patches of mareilon [4s]
heap of 5 uncursed moss patches of mareilon [10s]
heap of 17 uncursed spenseweeds [34s]
heap of 6 uncursed curaria mancox herbs [12s]
heap of 3 uncursed devil's roses [6s]
heap of 4 blessed devil's roses [8s]
uncursed demon daisy [2s]
heap of 4 blessed demon daisies [8s]
heap of 3 uncursed alraunia antidotes [6s]
heap of 2 blessed alraunia antidotes [4s]
heap of 2 blessed curaria mancox herbs [4s]
cursed spenseweed [2s]
heap of 20 blessed morgia roots [40s]
heap of 4 cursed moss patches of mareilon [8s]
Valuables ('$')
6114 gold pieces [61s]
Gems ('*')
uncursed worthless piece of brown glass [1s]
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Killed Monsters
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676 monsters perished under her attacks.
The following monsters were vanquished:
35 blink dogs
// Wouldn't hardly leave a corpse for nothing.
// At least the main dog summonned often.
1 cave lion
// Out of line of sight. The downside of high willpower.
1 cave tiger
// Just irritated about the cave lion.
53 greater claw bugs
// Early exp.
1 master necromancer
// I just love blinding this guy.
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Nice PoGA recipe... Is your longevity recipe any good? I'd switch to the other shield if I were you - 3 PV for 1 DV? Especially at this stage in the game. Nice going so far. Going to attempt a DarkForge raid soon? I have to wonder, exactly what parts of the game do you do and which do you skip out? I wouldn't have bothered much with the dwarven graveyard doing this challenge - I'd have figured it'd be a lot of turns for little xp. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
Longevity = troll blood + extra healing Indeed, gray elves have little need for age related potions. So far though, I have neither a longevity nor a youth potion. Right about the shield also. I was thinking of just trying to have the best chance possible, for shield marks. It turns out that I just haven't had to defend against enough enemies to matter. I did raid DF, soon after posting that. I have tried leaving out the Elemental Gauntlets and or the RotHK. I can't succeed that way though. I NEED those resistances to get me through the tower, sometimes they are the only source of fire resistance I have. I HATE trying to rely on that CoS for fire immunity, but I will if I have no other choice. The Griffyard doesn't eat up too many turns, if you just rush headlong into the minor undead, and bolt several at a time. For the underground, well if you have teleport + TP control, it also takes very few turns. The RotHK is also worth getting, not too many turns, and besides, I have to have something to do while I train toughness up a bit. The parts that I am leaving out currently are: Dwarf quests, if the quest monster is rare. Druid quest, unless I have no frost bolt spell. Puppy quest, I don't really need the L boost. SMC/HMV, though sometimes, this has paid off BIG for my PC's, it just isn't consistant. I rely heavily on gauranteed items and such, unreliable tactics can ruin a game. Filk quest, chaos resistance isn't a problem in such a short game. Library, the spells would be nice, just too many turns. BDC, the loot is nice, but not usually needed to win, so it gets cut. Minitaur maze, because the cow axe isn't needed. That's just about it, unless I'm missing some. I am open minded about trying different tactics though. I want to shave as many turns as I can possibly shave. I have considered wishing for 'emperor moloch' in the barbarians glade, but the few rare times I have had the opportunity in these games, I chicken out and just go for the AoLS instead. The gauranteed book of TP is just really helpful. Where I'm at now. Character is still alive and ahead of schedule. Darkforge is cleared, and the RotHK is obtained. Currently, I am on the first level of the ToEF. I am encouraged by my spell list, but concerned by the low HP's. I think that if the ACW gets a single bolt through, I'm done. Thrundarr gave a difficult quest monster, so I wasn't able to get any strength points from ogre corpses. Most hindersome though, I have no fireproof blanket. I don't really feel like I need items, to beat the tower, but digging through to the orb will be tricky. My plan is to drop all items on D:1, and explore all levels of the tower. I will then retrieve my wand of digging from D:1, and return. Hopefully, the wand won't burn away on the few turns it will be vulnerable. It's a shame I can't teleport on the last level, I will have to walk it. I don't even have a bunch of junk to carry, to try to distract the RNG from my wand. Well, we will see how it goes.
Sdf St:15 Le:23 Wi:40 Dx:31 To:18 Ch:14 Ap:17 Ma:27 Pe:24 N-
DV/PV: 64/23 H: 148(149) P: 260(260) Exp: 19/485754 TF: 1 M: 12220
Bloated Coward (speed is 95, at bloated status)
Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Swords 3 +2 +1 +0 basic 124
0 on all other weapons
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 3 +6 basic 27
// I only recently became tough enough to train this with
// spiders. I didn't come across any in the TotHK though,
// so training will have to wait until after the tower.
// If I live that long.
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Spells
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Darkness : 607, 3pp (Effectivity: +0)
Fire Bolt : 215, 5pp (Effectivity: +24)
Frost Bolt : 704, 7pp (Effectivity: +9)
Ice Ball : 209, 15pp (Effectivity: +1)
Invisibility : 400, 6pp (Effectivity: +4)
Knock : 435, 7pp (Effectivity: +5)
Light : 400, 2pp (Effectivity: +1)
Lightning Ball: 264, 17pp (Effectivity: +6)
Lightning Bolt: 563, 8pp (Effectivity: +3)
Magic Map : 247, 24pp (Effectivity: +1)
Magic Missile : 253, 4pp (Effectivity: +29)
Slow Poison : 244, 4pp (Effectivity: +0)
Teleportation : 307, 13pp (Effectivity: +7)
// A part of me still wonders if some spells are more likely
// for female PC's than males. I know it doesn't make any sense,
// but ball spells are just normally so rare, and this is my
// second female PC in a row to have them in abundance.
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Skills
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Alchemy ..............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Climbing ............. 42 (fair) [+2d4]
Concentration ........100 (superb) [+2d4]
Dodge ................ 46 (fair) [+1d5]
First aid ............ 61 (good) [+1d3]
Haggling ............. 21 (mediocre) [+3d4]
Healing ..............100 (superb) [+1d3]
Herbalism ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Listening ............ 82 (great) [+3d4]
Literacy .............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Stealth ..............100 (superb) [+1d3]
Ventriloquism ........ 52 (good) [+1d5]
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Inventory
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Total weight: 535 stones Carrying capacity: 1500 stones
Head : uncursed adamantium cap [+0, +2] [36s]
Neck : blessed ankh [3s]
Body : uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
Girdle : blessed adamantium girdle [+0, +3] [18s]
Cloak : -
Right Hand : uncursed sword of Nonnak (+2, 4d3+2) [+2, +2] {Wi+5} [80s]
Left Hand : uncursed tower mithril shield (-2) [+9, +2] [120s]
Right Ring : uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+1} [1s]
Left Ring : ring of the High Kings [+2, +3] [1s]
Bracers : cursed brass bracers [+0, +0] [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : -
Missile weapon: -
Missiles : -
Tool : blessed Chaos Orb of Elemental Water {Wi+10} [100s]
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Stuff
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Total weight: 96 stones Carrying capacity: 1500 stones
Shields ('[')
uncursed small adamantium shield (-1) [+5, +0] [36s]
Two-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed red eternium halberd (+11, 4d7+8) [-2, +0] [50s]
Tools (']')
si [10s]
// Yes, this is my entire inventory for my first trip through the tower.
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Killed Monsters
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1296 monsters perished under her attacks.
// That many eh? Considering I am about half way through the
// game, that's kind of sad.
The following monsters were vanquished:
1 skeletal king
// Dealt big damage when he hit, but panic did him in.
28 steel golems
// Lightning ball melted them.
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
You think girls have more balls? (Sorry, had to say that.) In deference to what you said a female priest I took to the Chaos plane only found one ball spell (on D50 in fact - kinda useless by then). Even the Library had no ball spells. They are just generally rarer, and you've had a lucky couple of characters in my opinion. Lightning ball and ice ball are such perfect early finds though, considering their usefulness in two important locations... You might want to eat *lots* of morgia before toppling the tower. That way the level ups you get in there will give you guaranteed Toughness increases. Blessing the wand will obviously help. However, if it burns you can always pray for pick axes, and I find they tend to take quite a few turns to melt (again especially if blessed). Best of luck anyway - you certainly need it... Edit: Your alchemy recipes are quite decent by the looks of things. Troll blood isn't of great use to a grey elven wizard, since it takes a *lot* of them to affect your healing rate from other sources. Extra healing you have another recipe for - hopefully something decent (it usually is). Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/15/2008 at 00:38 (GMT -5) by Darren Grey] |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
> You might want to eat *lots* of morgia before > toppling the tower. THAT was a good idea. It is something I never remember to do, but I did it this time, and it yielded an extra couple points to toughness. Thanks to the iceball spell, the ACW was no problem. I did pick up the unholy aura corruption there though. Not the worst, but I had not one form of chaos resistance. The PC was stuck with it, and I was very concerned about how to handle the casino. I just teleported my way through dwarftown. For the casino, I started by teleporting straight to the down staircase. I stored all my stuff on the next level, due to strength being at a very low 16, 26 if boosted by the fire orb. I teleported to the back end of the gift shop, and cautiously worked my way toward the shopkeeper. Due to such horrible carrying cappacity, I had to drop all armor parts and other heavy items periodically. I didn't have scrolls of identify to waste, so I had to be selective about what I wanted to identify. Soon enough, the shopkeeper went nuts on me, he actually threw a coin from well beyond my sight range. I recieved no message about scaring away customers. I wasn't able to fight well, without my inventory, I was dependant upon the water orb for larger ball spell radius. I quickly gathered what items I had gathered, and teleported out of there to retrieve my inventory. I beefed up my PC as best I could with the loot I had stolen and returned, for the exp. points. I took out the shopkeeper by standing to his left, and blasting him in the dark until he panicked, then repeatedly casting ice ball while he was cowering in the upper right hand corner. I was hoping that I wouldn't get cursed from killing the shopkeeper, since he was the one who attacked first. Nope, still cursed. Oh well, it's really just bad luck, so I'm not really worried about it. I have passed no altars yet, but I still have many levels yet to go, so I'm still hopeful. I am not crowned, so the elemental altars are unfortunately useless to me. I found two greater vaults of giants. I had an efficient way to destroy them, so I cleared them. I picked up 5 strength points, the Bracers of War and the Ring of Immunity. Character is now on D:38, and ready to clear the air temple. She is well ahead of pace for finishing in under 24000 turns. Right now I would estimate 22000 may be possible. I'm running low on teleport spells though. I have to save some for D:50, so actually walking previously explored dungeon levels is a possibility now. That would slow things down a bit, but not so much to make me miss the 24000 turn mark. It's looking good.
Sdf St:21 Le:26 Wi:35 Dx:41 To:23 Ch:20 Ap:18 Ma:24 Pe:24 N-
DV/PV:127/39 H:287(301) P:25(386) Exp: 30/4739966 D: 38 M: 18439
Satiated Strained Coward
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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Daggers & knives 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Clubs & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Maces & flails 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Swords 3 +2 +1 +0 basic 91
Axes 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Whips 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Pole arms 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Twohanded weapons 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Staves 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Bows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Crossbows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 5 +10 skilled 292
// Yay! The giants gave me shield marks. I had to use up about three
// potions of extra healing, fighting them with ball spells though.
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Spells
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Acid Ball : 441, 20pp (Effectivity: +5)
Acid Bolt : 913, 7pp (Effectivity: +16)
Bless : 1025, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Disease : 5, 9pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Light Wounds : 960, 3pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Serious Wounds: 622, 6pp (Effectivity: +3)
Darkness : 630, 3pp (Effectivity: +3)
Destroy Undead : 230, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Farsight : 387, 11pp (Effectivity: +1)
Fire Bolt : 71, 5pp (Effectivity: +26)
Frost Bolt : 489, 6pp (Effectivity: +17)
Ice Ball : 48, 20pp (Effectivity: +15)
Invisibility : 358, 5pp (Effectivity: +6)
Knock : 391, 7pp (Effectivity: +7)
Light : 416, 2pp (Effectivity: +4)
Lightning Ball : 29, 29pp (Effectivity: +13)
Lightning Bolt : 507, 7pp (Effectivity: +7)
Magic Lock : 60, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Map : 217, 24pp (Effectivity: +4)
Magic Missile : 456, 4pp (Effectivity: +33)
Slow Monster : 62, 6pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Poison : 244, 4pp (Effectivity: +0)
Strength of Atlas : 63, 8pp (Effectivity: +0)
Teleportation : 79, 14pp (Effectivity: +13)
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Skills
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Alchemy ..............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Climbing ............. 68 (good) [+1d3]
Concentration ........100 (superb) [+2d4]
Dodge ................ 59 (good) [+1d3]
First aid ............ 73 (great) [+1d3]
Haggling ............. 56 (good) [+1d5]
Healing ..............100 (superb) [+1d3]
Herbalism ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Listening ............100 (superb) [+3d4]
Literacy .............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Stealth ..............100 (superb) [+1d3]
Ventriloquism ........ 66 (good) [+1d3]
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Inventory
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Total weight: 3632 stones Carrying capacity: 2475 stones
Head : uncursed helm of leadership [+1, +2] {Ch+6} [100s]
Neck : blessed ankh [3s]
Body : uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
// I put this on for the cat lord, and forgot to take it off.
Girdle : uncursed eternium girdle [+0, +4] [12s]
Cloak : uncursed hooded cloak [+1, +0] [40s]
Right Hand : uncursed tower mithril shield (-2) [+9, +2] [120s]
Left Hand : uncursed large eternium shield (-1) [+11, +5] [54s]
Right Ring : blessed ring of the High Kings [+2, +3] [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of immunity [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of war [+8, +4] {Dx+8} [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : uncursed boots of sneakiness [+3, +2] {Dx+2} [20s]
Missile weapon: -
Missiles : cursed potion of invisibility [4s]
// Same thing here.
Tool : blessed Chaos Orb of Elemental Water {Wi+10} [100s]
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Stuff
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Total weight: 3097 stones Carrying capacity: 2475 stones
Armor ('[')
blessed black dragon scale mail (-1, -3) [+0, +11] [200s]
Necklaces (''')
heap of 2 uncursed amulets of perseverance {Wi+3} [6s]
blessed amulet of protection from undead [3s]
heap of 3 uncursed amulets of free action [9s]
blessed amulet of free action [3s]
uncursed amulet of health [3s]
uncursed amulet of the cold heart {Ch-12} [3s]
uncursed amulet of defense +5 [3s]
uncursed amulet of speed (+3 spd) [3s]
uncursed amulet of light [3s]
uncursed necklace of the eye [3s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed pick axe (+3, 1d6+1) [75s]
uncursed sword of Nonnak (+2, 4d3+2) [+2, +2] {Wi+5} [80s]
uncursed pick axe (+0, 1d6+1) [75s]
blessed eternium spear (+5, 2d8+8) [25s]
uncursed dagger of death (+1, 5d5+3) [10s]
dagger [13s]
whip [15s]
Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed short bow of accuracy (+7, +0) [20s]
uncursed light crossbow of accuracy (+9, +0) [70s]
Missiles ('/')
bundle of 6 uncursed arrows of humanoid slaying (+6, 1d6+3) [12s]
bundle of 10 blessed arrows (+0, 1d6+1) [20s]
bundle of 4 uncursed griffon-feathered quarrels of slaying (+1, 2d6-2)
bundle of 8 uncursed mithril arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [16s]
bundle of 9 uncursed quarrels of jelly slaying (+4, 2d6+3) [36s]
bundle of 7 uncursed quarrels of jelly slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [28s]
bundle of 12 blessed quarrels of humanoid slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [48s]
bundle of 6 uncursed arrows of humanoid slaying (+3, 1d6+4) [12s]
bundle of 11 blessed arrows of giant slaying (+2, 1d10+1) [22s]
bundle of 6 uncursed adamantium quarrels (+1, 2d6+4) [6s]
bundle of 9 uncursed quarrels of undead slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [36s]
bundle of 9 uncursed arrows of darkness (+2, 1d6-1) [18s]
bundle of 10 uncursed arrows of undead slaying (+2, 2d4+1) [20s]
bundle of 3 uncursed eternium drakish scurgari (+12, 2d8+9) [15s]
bundle of 7 uncursed quarrels of dragon slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [28s]
bundle of 5 uncursed quarrels of demon slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [20s]
bundle of 12 uncursed arrows of demon slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [24s]
bundle of 6 uncursed mithril arrows (+0, 1d6) [12s]
bundle of 7 uncursed arrows of construct slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [14s]
bundle of 3 uncursed adamantium quarrels (-2, 2d6+3) [3s]
bundle of 4 uncursed quarrels of humanoid slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [16s]
Tools (']')
heap of 5 uncursed torches [50s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (37) [5s]
uncursed tinderbox (14) [3s]
uncursed tinderbox (7) [3s]
uncursed tiny key [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed round keys [2s]
heap of 3 uncursed waterproof blankets [30s]
uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire {St+10} [100s]
uncursed fireproof blanket [10s]
uncursed rusty triangular key [1s]
blessed tiny key [1s]
uncursed triangular key [1s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (1) [5s]
small key [1s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of searching [1s]
blessed ring of stun resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of defense +1 [1s]
uncursed ring of invisibility [1s]
uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+1} [1s]
blessed ring of speed [+0, +4] (+5 spd) [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
heap of 2 uncursed rings of doom [2s]
uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of speed [+0, +1] (+5 spd) [1s]
uncursed ring of damage [1s]
vibrating ring [1s]
adamantium ring [1s]
Wands ('\')
// Just the standard assortment, nothing noteworthy.
Potions ('!')
heap of 5 potions of holy water [20s]
heap of 6 uncursed potions of carrot juice [24s]
heap of 10 uncursed potions of water [40s]
potion of unholy water [4s]
heap of 6 uncursed potions of healing [24s]
blessed potion of boost speed [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of extra healing [4s]
heap of 3 blessed potions of invisibility [12s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of poison [12s]
blessed potion of carrot juice [4s]
uncursed potion of boost speed [2s]
uncursed potion of exchange [4s]
heap of 2 blessed potions of extra healing [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of booze [8s]
uncursed potion of invisibility [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of boost appearance [4s]
uncursed potion of balance [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of oil [4s]
uncursed potion of boost perception [2s]
uncursed potion of wonder [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of troll blood [4s]
blessed potion of boost appearance [2s]
uncursed potion of boost strength [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed oils of rust removal [4s]
uncursed potion of boost dexterity [2s]
uncursed potion of boost mana [2s]
uncursed potion of blindness [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of cure poison [4s]
uncursed potion of sickness [2s]
blessed potion of boost dexterity [2s]
blessed potion of cure corruption [2s]
uncursed berzio potion [2s]
uncursed potion of boost learning [2s]
uncursed potion of training [2s]
potion of boost perception [2s]
shimmering potion [4s]
heap of 2 potions of water [8s]
potion of beauty [4s]
dull potion [2s]
pink potion [2s]
potion of boost perception [2s]
silvery potion [4s]
potion of invisibility [4s]
// Still waiting for a potion of youth. I have a feeling
// I will be waiting a while yet.
Scrolls ('?')
// Standard.
Valuables ('$')
49236 gold pieces [492s]
// Hope this is enough gold for curse removal. I already
// have some piety, so it should be.
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Killed Monsters
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1983 monsters perished under her attacks.
The following monsters were vanquished:
1 Ancient Chaos Wyrm
// Had to drink some PoEH, but eventually ice ball prevailed.
17 ancient white dragons
// Threat room full of these fell to fire bolt. Not much
// loot, but I really just wanted the exp. at this point.
1 big casino guard
31 casino guards
// It's not my fault the shopkeeper went crazy.
1 cat lord
// Three potions of blindness, three potions of extra
// healing, and many ice ball blasts it took.
1 shopkeeper
// I think the exp. points were worth the cursing,
// even if I don't find an alter to remove it at.
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
Character is dead. Death by Archmage. He got two powerful bolts in on one turn. HP's went from 275 to -15 in one turn. I even had 2 sources of death ray resistance in the AMW and the SoN. Don't really see anything I could have done differently. Maybe the lack of crowning did me in. Turn counter was only at 21000. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/16/2008 at 01:37 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Ouch, very bad luck man. Was he taking a long time to kill, or did he just happen to get 2 bolts in? Most games I have he doesn't even get one in - two would be hard on any char. The only thing you could have done differently maybe is drink all your potions of boost speed, since they're probably more needed there than on D50. Higher toughness from sickness/herb scumming might have given you the necessary HP to survive too. You still set on using GE wizards for this? I have to wonder how trolls would fair... They're usually surprisingly good at this sort of restricted challenge game. Of course your two reasons stated for using grey elves are completely untrue for trolls... Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
I was using acid ball to great effect. I would cast light periodically, to check on how injured he was. I stopped checking at 'severely'. He was blinded, and only hitting me occasionally. His damage per hit was quite mild really, but I was healing after each one, just in case. I suppose he must have 'decided to fight to death in a blind rage' in the dark, and been blocked from fleeing by other monsters. The potions of speed might have made the difference, but I didn't think of it. Next time. I have an open mind about trying other race/class combos. Indeed I have had some success with trolls, but they have leveling problems. Undead are a problem for them at any time, but if you are at an especially low exp. level, one mistake can kill them. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
I always take Nuurgy down with slaying ammo, which usually doesn't give him much any chance of fighting back (or any chance of berserking either). I also always use a constant light source, even if it means giving up the water orb or ankh/preserver. Ventriloquism is also better to use on him than blindness, in my opinion (you should train it a bit during the game). I'm thinking a trollish priest could be decent. Slow Monster helps with levelling, invis helps with ghosts. The advantage they have is of course the high strength and toughness - it'll last them all game. Being poor at spells would be a big hindrance though, especially since you couldn't get the Oracle corpse from the HMV. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
I have successfully killed him with slaying ammo before. It works great, when it's available. Unfortunately, this time it wasn't an option. I did my best to get him to come out and face me in the corridor, but he just wouldn't come. I actually wasted 500! turns waiting for him. I know I woke him up, because he was 'darking' like crazy. He just wouldn't or couldn't come out. So I had to go in after him. The darkness was beneficial to me, as it kept the chaos goons off my back while I fought him. I had some humanoid slaying ammo, but could not use them in the dark. I will give troll priests a try next. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4229 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
If you scum for starsigns then Cup-born would be well-advised, for the lesser xp and the easier time learning spells. You won't be able to do your usual bug-clearing for early levels, but you will be tough enough to stair-hop in the ID straight away. Gaining Le will be problematic before having lots of gold for Garth (pity you avoid the HMV - Oracle there is tasty for trolls). Also remember to get the "Good Learner" talent - it actually gives +50% xp in most cases. Of course it could turn out to be an awful suggestion, especially when you get towards the late game, but trolls are fun to play at least. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/18/2008 at 12:27 (GMT -5) by Darren Grey] |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
I actually did try the troll priest, he was doing rather well too. I did go through the SMC and toward the HMV, but died in a river. I will certainly try again with another. Hopefully this time, I will have better luck with rivers. I might scum for birthmonth next time. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4887 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
My current attempt at the 24000 turn challenge. I have just finished the tower, and the turn counter is ~13000. I had to do the ToEF with no items, do to no fireproof blanket. I am on track for victory. Kitty karma is good, so the next challenge will be the Archmage. I am about to make my final dive now. My stratagy differed this time, by forgetting the 'treasure hunter' talent line. Instead I pursued the 'bookcasting' line, and it has paid off so far.
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Quizard St:28 Le:28 Wi:36 Dx:28 To:20 Ch:12 Ap:14 Ma:32 Pe:24 NC
DV/PV: 73/23 H: 187(193) P: 326(349) Exp: 21/954279 D: 1 M: 13284
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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Twohanded weapons 4 +4 +4 +1 skilled 173
// DF had an eternium 2-hander, all other weapon skills
// are at zero. The 2-hander gives me something useful
// to do, if my PP's need to regenerate.
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Crossbows 3 +6 +4 +1 basic 26
// The DF pools were arranged nicely, so I killed
// Kherab for the exp. points and crossbow marks.
// All other missile marks are at zero.
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 1 +2 basic 46
// I picked up my first shield level in the ToEF.
// I have wielded two shields the entire game, but
// have relied on offense as defence.
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Spells
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Acid Ball : 531, 21pp (Effectivity: +1)
Acid Bolt : 897, 8pp (Effectivity: +7)
Burning Hands : 297, 4pp (Effectivity: +13)
Calm Monster : 822, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Light Wounds: 765, 2pp (Effectivity: +7)
Darkness : 457, 3pp (Effectivity: +4)
Disarm Trap : 999, 6pp (Effectivity: +0)
Fire Bolt : 686, 5pp (Effectivity: +5)
Frost Bolt : 1149, 6pp (Effectivity: +12)
Ice Ball : 691, 14pp (Effectivity: +6)
Invisibility : 740, 5pp (Effectivity: +9)
Knock : 739, 7pp (Effectivity: +7)
Know Alignment : 261, 6pp (Effectivity: +0)
Light : 977, 1pp (Effectivity: +5)
Lightning Ball : 560, 17pp (Effectivity: +6)
Lightning Bolt : 1130, 8pp (Effectivity: +3)
Magic Lock : 256, 5pp (Effectivity: +1)
Magic Map : 205, 24pp (Effectivity: +4)
Magic Missile : 444, 4pp (Effectivity: +28)
Neutralize Poison: 271, 6pp (Effectivity: +0)
Revelation : 296, 20pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Monster : 822, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Strength of Atlas: 421, 5pp (Effectivity: +14)
Stun Ray : 1109, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Teleportation : 893, 12pp (Effectivity: +11)
Web : 863, 8pp (Effectivity: +0)
// This is the best spell list that I've had in
// a loooong time. I got lucky with a book shop
// on D:8.
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Skills
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Alchemy ..............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Climbing ............. 54 (good) [+1d5]
Concentration ........100 (superb) [+2d4]
Dodge ................ 57 (good) [+1d3]
First aid ............ 61 (good) [+1d3]
Haggling ............. 57 (good) [+1d5]
Healing ..............100 (superb) [+1d3]
Herbalism ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Listening ............ 74 (great) [+4d5]
Literacy .............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Stealth ..............100 (superb) [+1d3]
Ventriloquism ........ 62 (good) [+1d3]
// Is it possible to have a shorter skill list?
// Oh well, at least most of them are good. I
// would gladly trade the Haggling skill for an
// extra starting gold piece.
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Inventory
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Total weight: 3615 stones Carrying capacity: 36275 stones
Head : uncursed adamantium cap [+0, +1] [36s]
Neck : uncursed ankh [3s]
Body : uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
Girdle : uncursed girdle of giant strength [+0, +0] {St+12} [30s]
// First one of these I have found in a long time.
Cloak : uncursed leather cloak (-1, +0) [+1, +0] [40s]
Right Hand : uncursed sword of Nonnak (+2, 4d3+2) [+2, +2] {Wi+5} [80s]
Left Hand : medium eternium shield (+1) [+10, +3] [46s]
Right Ring : uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
Left Ring : blessed ring of the High Kings [+2, +3] [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of speed [+0, +0] (+4 spd) [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : uncursed gnomish boots (+2, -1) [+2, +3] [10s]
Missile weapon: uncursed heavy crossbow of accuracy (+9, +3) [140s]
Missiles : bundle of 10 uncursed quarrels of targeting (+7, 2d6) [20s]
Tool : Chaos Orb of Elemental Water [100s]
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Stuff
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Total weight: 3028 stones Carrying capacity: 36275 stones
Helmets ('[')
uncursed leather cap [+3, +0] [5s]
uncursed hood [+0, +2] [3s]
Armor ('[')
adamantium ring mail (-1, -2) [+0, +7] [216s]
eternium ring mail (-1, -1) [-3, +9] [196s]
Shields ('[')
uncursed medium shield [+3, +3] [100s]
uncursed wooden shield [+3, +1] [80s]
// These were the two shields that I had dual wielded
// the entire game. Niether were fireproof, so I had
// to do the ToEF with no shield. I went in wielding
// just the Sword of Nonnak, but found an eternium
// shield on the second tower level. I was so happy : )
Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed gloves of dexterity [+0, +0] {Dx+2} [6s]
Cloaks ('[')
heap of 3 uncursed leather cloaks (-1, +0) [+1, +0] [120s]
Girdles ('[')
uncursed girdle of greed [+0, +0] [7s]
uncursed leather girdle [+0, +0] [5s]
Boots ('[')
uncursed boots of sneakiness [+3, +0] {Dx+2} [20s]
Necklaces (''')
heap of 2 uncursed amulets of protection +2 [6s]
uncursed amulet of the cold heart {Ch-9} [3s]
blessed amulet of perseverance {Wi+2} [3s]
uncursed amulet of free action [3s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed nasty eternium battle axe (+0, 2d7+9) [35s]
uncursed pick axe (+3, 1d6+1) [75s]
blessed eternium warhammer (+0, 4d3+8) [29s]
uncursed balanced eternium dagger (+7, 2d4+7) [5s]
Two-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed eternium two-handed sword (+19, 6d5+19) [-1, +0] [50s]
Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed heavy crossbow (+3, +3) [140s]
uncursed short bow of accuracy (+6, +1) [20s]
Missiles ('/')
bundle of 17 uncursed arrows (+1, 1d6) [34s]
bundle of 9 uncursed arrows (+1, 1d6+3) [18s]
bundle of 39 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6) [78s]
bundle of 11 uncursed arrows of jelly slaying (+3, 2d4+3) [22s]
bundle of 7 uncursed quarrels (+4, 2d6) [14s]
bundle of 5 blessed arrows of demon slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [10s]
uncursed eternium quarrel (+1, 4d6+8) [1s]
bundle of 11 quarrels [22s]
bundle of 10 quarrels [20s]
Tools (']')
heap of 2 uncursed torches [20s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (21) [5s]
heap of 2 uncursed tinderboxes (21) [6s]
heap of 2 uncursed waterproof blankets [20s]
// Quite rare to have two of these, at this point
// in the game. Unfortunately, I have no fireproof
// blanket to compliment them. I had to do the
// tower with no blanket, which means no back-up
// items. No PoEH, no blindness, no wands, no
// nothing, just spells. It's a shame too, because
// I lucked out with finding great wands early.
heap of 2 uncursed hexagonal keys [2s]
uncursed round key [1s]
uncursed square key [1s]
blessed tinderbox (1) [3s]
uncursed tiny key [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed small keys [2s]
blessed si [10s]
uncursed climbing set [180s]
heap of 3 uncursed sis [30s]
uncursed triangular key [1s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (44) [5s]
heap of 2 sis [20s]
Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire [100s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed wedding ring [1s]
uncursed ring of defense +1 [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of stun resistance [2s]
ring of damage [1s]
uncursed ring of damage [1s]
uncursed ring of protection +1 [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of monster creation (7 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of magic missiles (8 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of stunning (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of trap creation (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (6 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of lightning (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of paralyzation (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (0 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of fireballs (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of wonder (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of light (9 charges) [4s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 4 uncursed potions of invisibility [16s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of booze [16s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of carrot juice [12s]
blessed potion of booze [4s]
uncursed potion of potential learning [4s]
blessed potion of strength [4s]
potion of holy water [4s]
uncursed oil of rust removal [2s]
heap of 7 blessed potions of insight [14s]
heap of 5 blessed potions of extra healing [10s]
blessed potion of healing [4s]
uncursed potion of healing [4s]
uncursed berzio potion [2s]
uncursed potion of balance [4s]
black potion [2s]
potion of water [4s]
milky potion [2s]
Scrolls ('?')
uncursed scroll of uncursing [2s]
uncursed scroll of magic mapping [2s]
uncursed scroll of vermin control [2s]
blessed scroll of uncursing [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed blank scrolls [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of increase melee damage [4s]
uncursed scroll of repair [2s]
uncursed scroll of satiation [2s]
heap of 4 blessed scrolls of chaos resistance [8s]
// I can't believe the Mystic actually gave me
// the scrolls. He had jipped me so often recently
// I didn't have much hope, but I chatted with him
// at N-, and he was generous.
Books ('"')
uncursed spellbook of Cure Light Wounds [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Lightning Ball [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Magic Map [100s]
blessed spellbook of Magic Missile [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Teleportation [100s]
// I got this from the black market in the
// early game, and have book-casted from it
// constantly. I am glad that I took the
// bookcasting talents. An extra was generated
// in the book shop, so I've got plenty now.
Food ('%')
uncursed bit of gnomish candy [2s]
heap of 22 uncursed cooked lizards [66s]
heap of 10 blessed alraunia antidotes [20s]
heap of 4 uncursed demon daisies [8s]
heap of 13 blessed demon daisies [26s]
heap of 7 blessed stomafillia herbs [14s]
heap of 5 cursed stomacemptia herbs [10s]
heap of 11 uncursed stomafillia herbs [22s]
heap of 6 blessed stomacemptia herbs [12s]
uncursed stomacemptia herb [2s]
heap of 10 blessed devil's roses [20s]
heap of 6 blessed curaria mancox herbs [12s]
heap of 15 blessed morgia roots [30s]
heap of 13 blessed spenseweeds [26s]
heap of 9 uncursed spenseweeds [18s]
heap of 25 uncursed moss patches of mareilon [50s]
heap of 7 blessed pepper petals [14s]
heap of 6 blessed burb roots [12s]
heap of 6 uncursed pepper petals [12s]
heap of 2 uncursed burb roots [4s]
heap of 6 uncursed curaria mancox herbs [12s]
heap of 5 uncursed devil's roses [10s]
heap of 8 blessed moss patches of mareilon [16s]
cursed moss of mareilon [2s]
Valuables ('$')
17109 gold pieces [171s]
Gems ('*')
uncursed ruby [1s]
uncursed topaz [1s]
cursed topaz [1s]
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Killed Monsters
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1200 monsters perished under her attacks.
The following monsters were vanquished:
1 Ancient Chaos Wyrm
// Nearly killed me.
11 blink dogs
// Also nearly killed me.
59 greater claw bugs
// Nearly killed me once.
1 jackal demon
// Confused me... then nearly killed me.
// luckily, I was standing on the stairs,
// and for some reason, monsters won't
// follow you from the pyramid's last level.
1 master necromancer
// He was no trouble this time, I had the
// burning hands spell.
28 ratling warlords
// Tension room in the ToEF. No trouble.
1 skeletal king
// He had killed the last few PC's that I
// had sent his way, and nearly killed this
// one too.
1 Snake from Beyond
// Easy this time, because it did not panic.
25 steel golems
// Nearly killed me, despite having the
// lightning ball spell.
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Achievements
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She survived for 0 years, 37 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes and 50 seconds (13284
turns).
Quizard visited 44 places.
Her strength score was modified by +5 during her career.
Her learning score was modified by +4 during her career.
Her willpower score was modified by +8 during her career.
Her dexterity score was modified by +6 during her career.
Her toughness score was modified by +12 during her career.
Her charisma score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her appearance score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her mana score was modified by +13 during her career.
Her perception score was modified by +6 during her career.
She was the head of the thieves guild.
Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/27/2008 at 08:44 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4947 days, 2 hours, 5 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Looks pretty damned good - I can't believe how efficient you are... Do you eat the claw bugs or just kill them for XP? Oh, and when you are stair climbing the ID, do you just glance at room with the stairs, or will you venture forth if you have a tension room? [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/27/2008 at 11:16 (GMT -5) by vogonpoet] |
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