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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4896 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
I have just discovered (maybe rediscovered) a strange trick for the early game. I was generating a number of characters, trying to start with a spellbook of teleport. Well, they aren't exactly common, so if my PC started with a means of invisibility, I would check the black market for the book, planning to steal it. One of my PC's started with a wand of digging. I had never kick robbed a shop before, but I remembered reading about the concept in the HoF. I decided to give it a try. It was easy enough to figure out. Just dig out the corner of the wall, drop items on that spot, stand outside the shop and kick the items so they slide outside the shop. I had only wanted to get a TP spellbook, but there was none there. I kick robbed all of the items and waited for a restock. It only took about 200 turns. I spent those turns by selling Barnabus back his items and re-stealing them, netting me over 15000 gp. Also, I read some of the books I had bought. After a few restocks, there was still no TP book but I reflected on the turns I had spent. I was quite surprised at the gains. After ~1500 turns I had gotten ~40,000 gp, a wonderful +7 +2 shield, gauntlets, a mithril long sword, a metal cap, bracers of defense, some really nice necklaces, rings, scrolls, and potions. It occurred to me that this trick is so extremely profitable, that I quit the character. Theoretically, I could have just kept selling Barnabus his stuff, waiting for re-stocks, and reading books, until I was invincible and absurdly wealthy. Just thought I would share this, in case others might want to have some fun with it : ) Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/10/2008 at 15:47 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 5849 days, 4 hours, 39 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
Nasty trick, this game has many of them like this that looks like cheating! |
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Some guy Registered user I'm baaaack. Last page view: 5602 days, 44 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
I didn't know you could dig the walls at the corners of shops. The following is a real Adom message: The homunculus hits you. You suddenly fall asleep! Do you want to continue to read the spellbook of Calm Monster? [y/N] |
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GiantFrog Registered user another gray elven wizard Last page view: 5433 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes and 43 seconds ago. |
Not that I would try such obvious shenanigans, but how to you stand outside the shop, and kick the items out? You pick up the worn boots. |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5140 days, 8 hours, 6 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
I could see how the kicking could be done...diagonally...but walls were undiggable when I tried it just now. No corners of the black market was diggable. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4238 days, 2 hours, 12 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Yes, quite a horrible method of abuse. Of course Barnabas will have limited gold, but even that regenerates over time. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4896 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
I have done a bad job of editing. I originally had typed this bit, and wound up deleting it in the shuffle. The shop walls are not always able to be dug out. I think that Waldenbrook's walls can never be dug. Sometimes the black market, Leggot's shop, and if memory serves, the casino can all be dug. I think it is random, which stores are vulnerable, from game to game. GiantFrog: > Not that I would try such obvious shenanigans, > but how to you stand outside the shop, and kick > the items out? I didn't think there was any harm in trying it out for fun. Anyway, here is a diagram. You kick the cooked beggar corpse to the curb. ............... ....######@##.. ....#.......#.. ...@#.......#.. ....%########.. .....%......... Darren: > Of course Barnabas will have limited gold, but > even that regenerates over time. Unless I am much mistaken, Shopkeepers replenish their money when they restock. I did get tens of thousands from him in less than 2000 turns. He never ran out of money, as I was selling him things. Maybe I just got lucky with quick restocks. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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GiantFrog Registered user another gray elven wizard Last page view: 5433 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes and 43 seconds ago. |
Thanks for the diagram. The implication is that the gap you dig in the wall still counts as the shop. IOW, the shopkeeper doesn't get mad if you kick his wares into the hole, to set up what you've presented. BTW, I wasn't criticizing, and I do find it quite interesting. It just wouldn't be fun to use such "shenanigans" in a serious game. You pick up the worn boots. |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4896 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
> IOW, the shopkeeper doesn't get mad if you kick > his wares into the hole, to set up what you've > presented. I don't know what IOW means. You don't have to kick the items there, just pick them all up, and drop them there. Agreed about not using this tactic in a serious game. I would think it is (maybe) more scummy than gremlin pickpocketing. I wonder what effect that scrolls of danger would have there. I have seen scrolls of danger generated in the black market. Potentially, one could continually up the danger level of Lawenilothehl, until you are generating insanely great items. Talk about game breaking! Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Nick Unregistered user |
If you use a blessed wand of digging, you can dig the shop walls. Uncursed and cursed wands do not work. |
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Scummer Unregistered user |
OMG...This is classic...Much better than save scumming near a pool and replaying over and over till you get wishes! |
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scummer2 Unregistered user |
kick rob until you get scrolls of danger or writing sets. then sit there until you get too many corruptions. super pimp game over. |
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Garon Registered user Adom Tard Last page view: 5574 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
Would reading scrolls of danger in there actually get you corruptions? I know it will in dungeons, but still...that's out in the wilderness. |
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Aragorn Registered user Last page view: 4857 days, 11 hours, 34 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
Somehow, this technique never worked for me :( My wizard started with a wand of digging, later on I blessed it and tried digging all the corners, but that didnt work. Later I also tried with mystic shovel and a blessed pick-axe, still nothing :( I also tried one other shop, that didnt work too. Does what you tried work everytime? or just that you got lucky? |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4148 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
You need luck. Still worth to give up one charge to try. BUC status doesnot matter, IMO. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4896 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
In my exp. you have a 50% chance of the BM being diggable. If it isn't, then Leggot's will be. That isn't code-dived info, nor is it backed up by any facts whatsoever. Just my 'gut' feeling : ) You can test it easily, just roll some wizards until you start with a wand of digging. Then just keep killing wizards until you get one that works. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Scummer Unregistered user |
Yeah, I played around with it...it really depends on luck...Sometimes the stores give junk and I'm usually too lazy to sell stuff back...occasionally you could get really lucky...doesn't really seem gamebreaking because you can't do it all that often...first you have to get the wand of digging...then you have to be lucky enough for the walls to be diggable....then you have to hope the shop spawn some good stuff...in my book there are a lot worse ways to cheat. |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4896 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
Technically, it's not cheating. It is all done within the ADOM engine, and no part of it is due to a bug. It's just kind of like gremlin scumming in my book. > I'm usually too lazy to sell stuff Well, of course you are supposed to drop the junk in the wilderness. Just sell back whatever wand he sells you. You may get mainly junk, but you can also get some great stuff, plus tens of thousands of gold pieces. I may do a brief demo of my personal preferances sometime in the future. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Scummer Unregistered user |
I'm aware that cheating is pretty subjective....but I really see this as a different kind of exploit than Gremlin scumming or stair scumming...more on par with something that doesn't make sense within the ADOM engine...pickpocketing and killing gremlins or going up and down stairs in a bizarre always changing dungeon make sense in a weird sort of way in terms of the world of ADOM...but shopkeepers who jealously guard their junk from everything the designer thought of, who are hunky dory with you digging out the corner wall and kicking stuff out and selling back, etc...stretches the logic of the game. Will I do it? Hell, yeah, when I'm lucky enough to start out with a wand of digging and get diggable walls...but I'm just as likely to go with teleport and do a smash and grab, piss off the thugs, and then melt into the wilderness... btw...I've considered gaining a couple of levels and training haggling to make more gold during sales...what do you think? |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4067 days, 2 hours, 54 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
Scummer makes an extremely good point there... You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4896 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
There are hordes of things that make no sense in ADOM. Cleaning 'E'ars when confused is something that some players flat-out refuse to do while confused, because it makes no sense. Being able to pick up such a large pile of gold that it kills you also makes no sense. For goodness sake, a loaf of bread weighing more than a pair of boots makes no sense! Finding and joking about these things is all part of the fun : ) As for it being a game breaking, nonsensical way to overpower your PC without ever even killing a single monster... that's why the title of the thread is 'too good early game trick'. That's why I don't use it for beefing up 'limited turns' PC's that could really benefit from an extra few tens of thousands of risk- free gold pieces. It's still a fun little tidbit though, and is fun to play with at times. Regarding sales strategies, I do believe the most effective thing to do is kill Yergius. That alone nets you a 50% discount, and therefore a boost in sales prices as well. Haggling doesn't hurt of course, but being born as a female gray elven merchant is better : ) Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/20/2009 at 16:25 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4955 days, 9 hours, 43 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
foxy |
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Scummer Unregistered user |
Actually my grandpa died when he tried to pick up too big of a pile of cash when he worked at the royal vault (in England)...so I'm offended at your suggestion it's not realistic. heh. just kidding. I think playing as a gray elven merchant even all that free stuff wouldn't keep me alive to DC. I did it last night and it took me about a half hour with my elven wizard to net 15000...he got a lot of good stuff that kept him alive right up until the Dwarven City, shortly afterwards below it he hit a door trap which shredded 4 pieces of armor and made him easily pwnt by some trash mob before I could get off a single spell. I'll use any method I can to get a win (which I'm sure will never happen) before I start getting a conscience. |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4896 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
Have you seen my BUGWIL demo? That's the way to go if you really want to give yourself an edge. Yep, just hit exp. level 13 in the BUGWIL, get a BD corpse and some books by stairhopping in the ID, get the TP wand from the VDDL, then TP raid DF, herb farm, and your set. EDIT: Here's a link, just scroll down the page a bit. http://www.adom.de/forums/showthread.php?t=710&highlight=demo Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/21/2009 at 11:50 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Jhonka Registered user Kickass player Last page view: 5355 days, 2 hours, 12 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
btw BUGWIL always has a bug visible one step left from where you stand when entering the bugwil. A torch is helpful, but useless when you learn how they move. Bugwil is also useful when you get hold of a pair of 7lg boots. With them, and some bolt spells, cleaning the cave is pisseasy(plus *very* profitable). |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4896 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
Goodness, I just read my previous post in this thread. "get a BD corpse and some books by stairhopping in the ID, get the TP wand from the VDDL, then TP raid DF, herb farm, and your set." It's no wonder so few people visit ADOM forums, they can't understand the jibberish we type. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/16/2009 at 16:07 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4238 days, 2 hours, 12 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Indeed, should be "you're" not "your". Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5140 days, 8 hours, 6 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
Ahahaha. Made my day. |