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Lost In Place Unregistered user |
Having never won legitimately, I've recently been trying to play characters very safely (which goes against my impatient nature regarding game movement). However, in order not to be overly mundane, I thought it might be interesting to play a Trollish Thief (the mental image of a 8ft tall dimwitted klutz attempting to sneak his way into a goblin's pockets was just too good to pass up). Thus far Crash (said troll) has done amazingly well, saving Kenny and picking up 7LB on PC:2, at some point finding BoW and a RoDS (I discovered them in my inventory at random), as well as watching in delight as an orc dropped an anvil. I spent the wish on rings of weakness (since I am not above [legal] scumming, I figured, why not?). However, I was unfortunate enough to meet a cat in the Arena AND miss it with my potions (failing to turn it into a WMoPC). Now I am wondering about several things. Since I expect this to be my first victory, I plan on I creating a gremlin bomb and going Stone Giant hunting. I figure I should do the latter first (since my character is only L11 and probably can't take on Turtle dragons), but I don't know when the giants start roaming the mountains. Does anyone know (roughly) the level when they first begin to appear? As for the gremlin bomb, how exactly does one set it up? Also, any other advice would be greatly appreciated. |
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Elraz Registered user Last page view: 5091 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
As far as the gremlin bomb goes, you need to create a water bomb on CoC 8 and than deep fluff ball in a regular eater potion. this SHOULD create a gremlin or two, and if they`ll step on your water trap, they will begin to multiply. When you start to pickpocket them, make sure you stand far enough so you wont kill all of them. I think you can get a lone stone giant since you reach lev 10, so go and hunt yourself some. Don`y go Blup`s mom yet, just keep going down on CoC or even scum the ID for coll stuff. Trollish Thief is very annoying combo since you`ll get you best class power only on lev 32, and by the time you`ll get it with a troll, you will be at the mana temple or so. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
Stone giants appear in the wilderness after level 12. If you have a pick axe then you can find them by digging up walls. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
If you don't want to waste that potion of water, just wield the fluff ball and activate the trap using Ctrl + t while standing on it. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Lost In Place Unregistered user |
Would it be better for me to dive to ID:8 and use the fluff ball there? (that way I don't have to worry about generating super-experienced gremlins) |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
Nope, RoDSes aren't generated until ID24. You can create alarm traps so the gremlins just kill each other and you pickpocket them to hell. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Sulangatori Registered user Tourist Last page view: 1434 days, 9 hours, 55 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
Is danger level the same for items and monsters? For monsters, at least, doesn't the danger level in the ID change with your own levels, or am I lost here? I seem to remember running into an ogre king on ID:3 with a fairly high-level character. |
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Lost In Place Unregistered user |
I've never seen that sort of happening (except for OOD monsters). The only dungeon I know that functions in that way is SMC. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
Danger level of monsters is the normal dungeon level, or if you're high enough level linked to that. In all dungeons you can get out of depth monsters if you're a high level - I've bumped into a moloch on D7 for instance. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Lost In Place Unregistered user |
And...Crash is dead. I got sick of sitting around trying to level up and decided to rob Blurp's mom. I almost pulled it off too, but she ran away and then hit me from 167 (full) to -274 with her water breath when I chased after her (I'd been trying to stab her to death in the dark with Serpent's Tail, which I also pick pocketed). Oh well, time to start a new thief character. I think I'll go Hurthling or Gnome. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
You mean Serpent's Bite? Can't pickpocket that... Learn your lesson well from that experience, since it's extremely difficult to kill her at low levels (or even high ones). She could have easily berserked on you in darkness at any time. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Lost In Place Unregistered user |
Yeah, sorry, Serpent's Bite (note to self: Serpent's Bite is ADOM, Serpent's Tail is Xiaolin Showdown). I don't recall any 'surge of power' messages, but maybe I did find it the old fashioned way and simply wasn't paying attention. Is it only 10 stones that one can pickpocket? I was guessing 15 stones. Thanks for the notice about the blind rage; I expected that she'd simply run away if given the chance. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4061 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Serpent's Bite has shown up randomly for me twice in my ADOM memory. The only other artifact I can think of that did that too is the black of tome of Arghnotagainus. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5656 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
The water dragon cave is actully another place that can be used for the gremlin bomb. Just drop a fluff ball, the gremlins will start multiplying and drowning a lot at the same time, so pick pocket away! You don't even have to kill them, so the gremlins don't get über after 15000 kills. No, I've never killed that many. 4000 is probably my record.. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4890 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
> She could have easily berserked on you in darkness at any time. I'm going to write a guide on darkness. No monster will berserk on you in the dark. They will only hit you, if they panic, and have no escape route, or if THEY stand in a door square. Fight your darkness battles in open areas, away from dead ends, and narrow corridors. If you have your enemy poisoned enough, just hang out for a while. I think repeated poisons work faster than regen, but I suppose that depends on the regen, so I'm not 100% sure on that. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
I've had the water dragon berserk on me in darkness whilst standing on the upstairs before. Was annoying because I tried to escape by going up the stairs but got the "not whilst under attack message", but that still used up a turn and she hit me again, killing a promising char. These days I never kill her till unless I'm extremely high level and want to loot her cave (darkness-looting is a bit cheap unless there's something special there). Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4890 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
I'm trying to figure out how that could be possible. I've probably fought nearly as many darkness battles as lighted, and I have never experienced berserking. Theoretically it might be possible to shoot a missile at a panicing monster, to make it follow you while still in a state of panic. However, this means that you would then have to lure it into or cast darkness afterward. If the dragon was panicing, why did it follow you to the stairs? If it wasn't, then how could it berserk? Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5656 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
The water dragon has attacked me too while I was standing on the upstairs and it was dark and she was panicking. There were gremlins around that I was pickpocketing, so it might have belonged to the category of "panicking in dark and nowhere else to go". The dragon will teleport to you if you pick up something regardless of whether she is panicking or not, so that's one way to get her attention if she's running away. She also randomly teleports around when panicking I think, so it might have been just bad luck for Darren for her to end up next to his char just when he was about to leave. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4232 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
No, I deliberately picked up an item to get her to appear next to me. I did it on the stairs so I could escape to heal if need be - turned out I couldn't! Annoying thing is I could likely have moved a step away and then back and I would have been fine, but the physical act of trying to ascend wasted one fateful turn. And no, there were no monsters around, she could have easily escaped. Maybe it's something to do with picking something off the ground... Was a few years back though, so I don't remember the details fully. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4890 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
Probably a special effect that only applies to the momma dragon. The summoning tactic must have the same effect as shooting a missile. It will cause a panicing monster to fight instead of flee. Making it possible for her to hit you in the darkness. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 6/6/2008 at 08:07 (GMT -5) by gut] |