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Jack Registered user Last page view: 7816 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Anybody DARES to clear a greater undead vault? I have just got one with a L33 dwarven ranger and just advanced to L38 and there i faced the consequences. GOT a LoT oF StAts DrAiN By ThE eMpErOr LiChS. i guess this character i have just wasted,meh. SHould not have cleared it but i just hope to get the artifacts in it. Meh, still got some undeads left, can;t possibly killed them all. Almost emp Lichs all. Together there are 32, i counted. So here comes the BIG Q" -Why is it a bless RoClearMind doesn't work there? Due to this, that is why the lich have a chance to confuse me and then drain my stats. " Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Albert Einstein |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5763 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes and 1 second ago. |
Kill the emperor liches from afar - I believe that they can only drain your stats when they're right next to you. You can shoot them with undead slaying ammo or hurl Improved Fireballs at them. IIRC high effectivity bolt spells will also work. High Willpower will help with the spellcasting and with resisting the confusion attacks, so equip the Water Orb. I hope that was useful - I don't actually know if Rangers are any good at magic. |
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Jedik Unregistered user |
I've clear this sick vault twice with dwarven ranger and gray elven priest. Both after winning. Resistance to confusion, resistance to death rays, and couple potion of boost willpower are essential. |
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Jack Registered user Last page view: 7816 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
How much willpower required to resist? " Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Albert Einstein |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3753 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
In my experience, at least 24 willpower will resist some confusion attacks. If it's over 60 you should have no problem; and Mindcrafters have natural resistence. Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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Stas Registered user The Dark Lord Melkor Last page view: 7649 days, 10 hours, 57 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
ummm... depends on the level of the monster... as on D:47 emperor lichs are "extremely experienced", while on D:30 the are only "experienced" (IIRC)... so it varies from 20 to 50-60... and Ekaterin is right: monsters can drain stats only when next to you... hm, have anybody got greater *karmic* vault!! probably even worse as undead, as they can breath acid... awful... "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger" Lord of The Rings "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will anger the cat lord" |
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 Dougy Registered user What is the deal with cards? Last page view: 5828 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
I get the feeling that karmic vaults only come in the lesser variety. However if greater karmic vault exists it would be easier because karmics fall to death ray. Rangers do suck at magic, undead slaying ammo is the best bet, but before you even go near the vault use a blessed scroll of magic mapping, or a wand of item detection. I've seen a greater undead vault with only hammer of the gods in it. DougyDougy - Dougy - DougyDougy |
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RossMan4Life Registered user Crazy Breakdancing Robot Last page view: 7946 days, 23 hours, 13 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Heh, i had a level 50 necromancer (massive scums) on g15? and i never could clear it. Reloading and trying my best, nothing mattered. My friend and I came to the conclusion that the vaults of that caliber are unbeatable. We looked through pages and pages of ADOM junk for anything to help. My necromancer had outstanding burning hands efficiency, (in the 40's if remember correctly) and that couldn't faze them. Months later my friend got around to testing high level dispel undead, and it worked. My best guess is a high level healing spell would work dandy too. Oh the joy that has been brought to us by the mystical drink known simply as "Kool-Aid." |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3753 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
Or Bless. If you've used it a LOT, by the time you get to a greater undead vault it will be useful, mainly because it doesn't require as many PP as, say, Heal. (My first win, a wizard, cleared such a vault, primarily with Improved Fireball, but when running low on PP, Bless.) Don't try it on liches. They'll drain your stats before you can kill them. Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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Jack Registered user Last page view: 7816 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
If i ever, ever saw a karmics vault. The first thing is to look through the inventory first. although wands of death may be useful in there but they can get destroyed by the karmics dragons. If it happens that the PC is not a spellcaster or if he is, does not have the death rays spell. Missiles and invisible are particulary useful in this vault as not all karmics beings can see invisible. And killing a karmics wyrm get you a lot of exps and could even raise you to L50 even b4 u get to D50! " Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Albert Einstein |
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Jack Registered user Last page view: 7816 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Well, as a matter of fact, I have never seen a karmics vault. " Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Albert Einstein |
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Caladriel Registered user ReGiStErEd UsEr Last page view: 4695 days, 9 hours, 14 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
I haven't run into Greater undead vaults since 1.0, but before that, if I had a strong fireball spell, then the vaults were not that bad. |
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J. Unregistered user |
I had a greater undead vault with my (so far) only winner (gnomish elementalist). Wasn't so big a problem for a character like that but those damned emeperor liches kept summoning monsters faster than I could kill. The level got SO slow that eventually I just teleported out and left. |
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adomer2 Registered user Last page view: 8036 days, 15 hours, 19 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
vaults are random so you can scum them if you want, just save your game a level above if you suspect there's a vault below and keep doing it. |
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Mishka Registered user Hopeless Last page view: 6117 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
is a greater vault that when half of more of the level is filled with monsters? If so i have actually once long time a go saw one in the DH2 and ran for my life and never looked back. *shiver* "Faugh!" snorted Tahngarth. "Why would it make a meal out of something like you?" Squee looked relieved. "No," he continued, "you'd make a much better toothpick." |
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Jack Registered user Last page view: 7816 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
That's a tension room. Lesser vaults are vaults that only fills 1/4 of the dungeon room.Greater vaults are the ones that fills up to half the dungeon room and they normally contains one or two artifacts. Greater vaults can only be found in the deeper levels of the Caverns of Chaos. Tension rooms are those that are fill with creatures in a small room/maybe big as well. Tension rooms also normally has trapped doors. So be careful. " Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Albert Einstein [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/13/2002 at 07:21 (GMT -5) by Jack] |
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Tha Messiah Registered user Angel of Death Last page view: 7775 days, 12 hours and 55 minutes ago. |
And of course while tension rooms pack misc monsters quite often (greater)vaults have specific types of creature eg: giants,fire creatures. THE MESSIAH,I'm here now,Worship me. |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3753 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
I once got my STR up to 99 with Food Pres, a ring of weakness, and a greater giants' vault. The corpses will give you a STR increase much more often if your STR is only 2! Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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Jack Registered user Last page view: 7816 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Ok, started a recent character which is a dwarven barbarian. THis character is kinda promising, clear every thing all the way to the earth temple and just below the temple is a greater giant vault. And, i have got a ring of weakness. So, Iridia how just it work exactly? To get to STR 99? " Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Albert Einstein |
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Mishka Registered user Hopeless Last page view: 6117 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
oh-kay, in what levels of CoC are greater vaults. and what gives the message of "You really feel exited"? "Faugh!" snorted Tahngarth. "Why would it make a meal out of something like you?" Squee looked relieved. "No," he continued, "you'd make a much better toothpick." |
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Crimson King Registered user Last page view: 6319 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
hmm... well, greater vaults are deep in the CoC... I've found 'em mostly from D45-48... and about D40 there should be one... Joka vitsaa säästää, saa kaatumataudin |
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J. Unregistered user |
IIRC vaults are random, though I don't know if greater ones are limited to lower levels of CoC. Someone could test it with CoC D:2 (IIRC there is around 50% change of a vault). But theoretically it should be possible to have a vault on every level of CoC (except special levels or S:2). Mishka: You mean the message "You feel truly excited." ? Thats a greater vault. A vault causes message "You feel excited." BTW has anyone ever got a Surge of power, greater vault, monster room and trap room in same level ? Now that would be interesting (at least the message at the start). "You feel truly excited. You shudder. You sense a certain tension. You feel a surge of power." (or something like that) |
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Jack Registered user Last page view: 7816 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
No vaults are ever present in the S2 and D2, it is a 0%. As for surge of power and the other You shudder, there is a 25% of this appearing. Surge of power are rare and if u manage to encounter one, be prepared as the guardian is always very exps or highly or extremely. -Greater vaults are usually present below the casino at around L44-46. Usually, one can encounter 2-3. 3, if you are lucky. I have only encounter 2. " Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -Albert Einstein |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3753 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
This was in a previous version; I think may still work, though. Rings of weakness are dangerous enough (danger of crushing you, or not being able to hit a monster hard enough, and they're autocursing besides) that it's not quite cheating. My STR was already at around 50, partially thanks to Garth, and partially for the same reason my DEX was only around 24 (I have a habit of carrying around way too much stuff.) Basically, a ring of weakness takes you down to 2 STR no matter what it was before; and when you eat a giant's corpse, you're much more likely to get a STR increase if it's already very low--like two. About half the corpses I got gave me STR +1 (food preservation=100, and lots of cursed stomacemptia). With a greater vault full of giants, that's enough to get at least 50 points of Strength. Die Gedanken sind Frei [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/14/2002 at 13:25 (GMT -5) by Iridia] |
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Guinea Registered user tWo-HeAdEd cHaOs WeAsEl Last page view: 6967 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
I once had a surge of power in SMC. The was a nasty named carrion crawler guarding a Whirlwind. I never encountered a greater vault, perhaps because I never got lower than the Eternal Guardian :( |
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Jan Erik Administrator Last page view: 1 day, 10 hours, 15 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
I have had a surge of power with Whirlwind (named ankheng guardian) in the SMC too. Whirlwind seems to be one of the more common aretacts around. Jan Erik Mydland HoF admin |
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Duke Ravage Registered user Gravebane Zombie Last page view: 5661 days, 2 hours, 56 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
only non-gaurenteed artifact (i consider Moon Sicle gaurenteed, although i'm not sure if it is or not; i always seem to find it if i get lower than Dwarftown) i've ever gotten was Ironfist. guarded by a named Chaos Sister in the middle of a minor vault, she was surrounded by other Chaos Sisters too. this was on IIRC lvl 2 or 3 of the UD. can't remember; look at Duke Ravage under Untimly Deaths for 1.0.0 if you really want to know. that guy was wearing *lots* of artifacts. probably contributed to his starvation; if i'd realized wearing artifacts increased food consumption i would have taken them off. *oops* ivan.sourceforge.net |
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Locke Registered user Treasure hunter Last page view: 7896 days, 22 hours, 18 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
The Moon Sickle is guaranteed. It is generated below dwarftown, sometimes below Animated forest and DH. Locke Cole |
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Guinea Registered user tWo-HeAdEd cHaOs WeAsEl Last page view: 6967 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
There can be a vault in D:2. I encountered one yesterday. |
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Madman Unregistered user |
But there never is a vault in S |
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