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JHB Unregistered user |
I'm playing a 16th-level Trollish Thief. With a view to accomplishing an Ultra win, I chose "Long-lived" as my single starting talent... I now realize that I've been spoiled by all my past characters having Treasure Hunter in Adom 1.1.1. Typically, by level 16, even factoring in lower experience point requirements, my characters have a decent shield, and a very good weapons, while my Troll is still in AoLS/Wish-hunting mode, switching between Nonnak/short sword of penetration, with a large mithril shield and a heavy (+3,+3) crossbow with no slaying ammo, even after having cleared or checked everything except for the Endless Dungeon, Darkforge Pools, and sub-Khelly levels. So, if you're starting a Troll with one talent, which one do you choose? Alert? Long-lived? Or something else? As for me, I think I'll select 'Alert' for my next single-talent Troll, and stay the hell away from ghosts of all types. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4040 days, 38 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
^_________^ ... Sorry, just thinking about the debate taking place on the other forum at this very point in time. Well, what can you do? Keep looking. Being 16 as a troll is about equal to being 20 as a non-troll, so this is exceptional bad luck. I've found the Tomb of the High Kings cavernous levels to be an excellent place to collect loot. (I figure you don't want to sink as low as to start gremlin bombing yet...) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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JHB Unregistered user |
Silfir, may I ask where can I find the other forum? |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4869 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
The 'other' forum discussion link: http://www.adom.de/forums/showthread.php?t=417 Yes, I do think that 'treasure hunter' sucks. By the same token, I think that 'long lived' also sucks, but that's for another thread. > my Troll is still in AoLS/Wish-hunting mode You are not guaranteed of those. In many 'treasure hunter' games, you still have to pool-sip for them. > switching between Nonnak/short sword of penetration My theory is, you can demolish the steel golems in Darkforge with those weapons (prefer the short sword). Many exp. level 12 trolls have to clear DF, just to gain access to the pyramid. As an exp. level 16 troll, you will breeze through, just remember to take some healing with you, and keep an eye on your HP's. Don't try to save your stuff for later, use what you need to stay safe, you will find more stuff later. > checked everything except for the Endless Dungeon, > Darkforge Pools, and sub-Khelly levels. Those are three nice places you mention : ) Killing Khelly is out, because you want an ultra, but the other places hold many nice items. I do advise you to clear DF, you are powerful enough, just keep an eye on HP's, and heal when you need it. If you don't like your penetration weapon, hop over to the VDDL, and get the teleport wand. You can then TP to the DF weapon room, and choose what you like. I tend to favor eternium two-handers, but there are more DV points in one-handers plus shields. As for the ID, you can stair-hop between levels 8 and 9, to generate many nice items. This is scummy, and boring if done too long, but far more effective than the 'treasure hunter' talent for producing most items. > if you're starting a Troll with one talent, which > one do you choose? I would advise hardy, then pursue PV, but that's just me. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4040 days, 38 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
I think Treasure Hunter is awesome, but that discussion is already taking place elsewhere. With that short sword of penetration, you can TRY Darkforge. Flee as soon as it is melted by the fire breath attacks. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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JHB Unregistered user |
Gut, Your suggestion to select Hardy, then PV intrigues me...it seems to me that 1.1.1 puts a greater premium than ever on DV as opposed to PV, what with the increased deadliness of dragons and giant-kind. I will re-check the talents and try to notice what I missed the first time... As for clearing Darkforge, I already did it, although it damn near wasted me. I'm scared as hell of the potential aging effects of the pools: I have no potions of youth, and I can recall a past human character being wizened from "grown up" to "old" after a single sip: that type of thing could mean instadeath even for a Long-lived Troll, plus I don't have any potions of youth to quaff in case I do survive. As for my bad equipment luck: I can't complain too much since I've managed to find a cloak of invisibility, bracers of regeneration, free action, a stoma farm, and 7LB: so while I lack firepower, my defenses are quite adequate. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4210 days, 23 hours, 56 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
The extra PV can be handy early on, but generally isn't important for trolls. If you know how to handle ghosts then Long-Lived isn't so useful - besides it doesn't take you out of danger by any means. Don't know why you're trying an ultra with a troll - can be a painful experience for many reasons. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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JHB Unregistered user |
Well, I'm kinda wierd in that I've made it a habit of randomizing character generation, except I don't play Wizards, Monks, Mindcrafters, or Druids (I just don't like those classes). Then I drop all equipment at the very beginning with no spell memorization and head straight to the UD, then down to the HMV. I like doing this because it tends to provide alot of thrills early on. It also weeds out over 80% of my characters. The characters that survive this test tend to be: (1) Dwarven bards; (2) Elementalists; (3) Trolls (brute force is useful for this sort of venture; or (4) very lucky. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4040 days, 38 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
The disadvantage of this strategy is that it doesn't weed out the damn trolls... Just erase them from the mask if you don't want to end up like that again :) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4869 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
> greater premium than ever on DV as opposed to PV DV is for later, PV is for early-game. You can never have enough of it, in my opinion. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5113 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
Agreed, I always go for PV until I have the basic defense up. 3-4 PV, so the rats and bats can't hurt me... after that DV and PV are about as good, meaning I'd wear a [+2,0] over a [-1,+2] thing. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4040 days, 38 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
I generally choose PV over DV until I'm at about 20 - then I'll just add up the DV and PV values of the items and go with that. The exception is shields. I'll always go for the shield with higher DV, except maybe if I have a [+9, +4] vs a [+10, +1] shield and am still far away from level 9 shield skill. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5585 days, 6 hours, 53 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
Regarding ghosts: according to guidebook ghosts of any kind don't see invisible, so if one has enough bolt attacks (missiles or spells) dealing with ghosts should not be too difficult. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4869 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
My thoughts echo Silfir's. The drakeling acid spit also works with invis. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Cujopuppy Registered user Last page view: 5752 days, 17 hours, 47 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
My favorite is be invisible and cast bless on undead. They don't attack and at least its a use for a spell that otherwise sits around and doesn't get used later in the game. |
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Kingsdragon Registered user You smelt it you dealt it! Last page view: 5742 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes and 48 seconds ago. |
I don't really bother training shield skill, if I can't kill it fairly fast, I lvl up then try again. Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife XD |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4040 days, 38 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
If you can heavily increase the effectiveness of Bless, it's good for late-game undead too, though you probably don't want to melee lich kings or emperor liches because of the stat drains... You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |