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raven1 Unregistered user |
just looking for ideas, i know the obvious, but im curios about pros and cons, im a lvl 4 elven ranger<usually play wiz> so im not sure... |
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raven1 Unregistered user |
ok wish 2 from the same pool on the way out <creators day game> G elven rang... i took sword of sharpness, and tower et shield, got BOW in the orc vault, and of course a puppy corpse... lvl 8 now, any ideas on better wishes this early? <7lb but i already have speed 113 and dont REALLY need them now> RoEM? dragon armor? for a ranger im not sure how i should have done this... |
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Deaneus Registered user Accountant of War Last page view: 7105 days, 16 hours, 45 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
SoCR and keep them in a safe place. Amulet of Life Saving too, should you make it to Khelly. What do you wish for? _Drew Barrymore figurine |
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Maastonakki Registered user A cute puppy Last page view: 6034 days, 9 hours and 56 minutes ago. |
i wouldn't go for socr / aols in that early stage... wish for something with lots of armor points in it ^^ |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
AoLS. AoLS. AoLS. It is the ONLY item that is GUARANTEED to keep you alive if you die. Even extremely powerful characters can die from a single mistake - protect yourself from your own mistakes and wish for an AoLS. Even if you already have an AoLS wish for a second. This game is ALL about minimising mistakes. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5824 days, 12 hours, 50 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
Gozer: Incorrect. AoLS is not guaranteed to keep a char alive, I talk from experience. "Suddenly your extraordinary carrying capacity fails you." "You are crushed by the tons of luggage you are carrying." AoLS won't save from that. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 4109 days, 4 hours, 9 minutes and 32 seconds ago. |
does it svae you from petrification? "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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raven1 Unregistered user |
can't a cursed Aols also fail for no reason? that was my 3rd choice btw...but the RNG has been WAY to nice, i doubt ill see Khelly... |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
The Real J: fair point - but personally I don't have much sympathy for characters who die from crushing damage. Raven1: Even if you don't get to give the AoLS to Kelly at least it will still keep you in the game! Your assassin sounds like a very promising character - even if you don't complete an ultra you could still do a chaos god or regular ending. |
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TheTimpen Registered user Last page view: 7060 days, 2 hours and 51 minutes ago. |
Go for eternium tower shields, eternium plate mails, eternium spears :) Those are more likely to safe your life than aols in early stage. |
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Cepheid Unregistered user |
SLBs are important even if you have high speed... reduces walking time etc etc. AoLs don't really save you from mimics :P and prolly not petrification too... |
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TheTimpen Registered user Last page view: 7060 days, 2 hours and 51 minutes ago. |
The biggest reason for me wanting slb is reduced traveltime in the wilderness. |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
The Real J: It seems I was correct all along - AoLS DOES resurrect you even if killed by crushing damage! Of course, you have to dump the excess baggage in the turn that you are resurrected otherwise you will be crushed again. The only exception to this is if you are crushed while travelling the wilderness - you will be resurrected but won't have a chance to dump the excess (you will need 1 turn to "enter" the wilderness square where you have been resurrected after which you will be crushed again). Morio and Cepheid: AoLS DOES save you from petrification. Furthermore, it can save you from mimics unless your DV is REALLY bad. TheTimpen: How can eternium anything (let alone eternium spears!) possibly be more likely to save your life than an AoLS?!?!?! If you die wearing eternium plate mail you are dead - period. If you die wearing an AoLS you will be resurrected. Eternium armour and shields WILL greatly increase your CHANCES of survival - but they won't save your life! Furthermore, their value greatly depreciates towards the end game - an AoLS, on the other hand, becomes more valuable the further you progress. |
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Sargoth Registered user Bard Last page view: 5166 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Aye, but we are talking about an early game wish, and if you get killed by Yrrigs due to low DV/PV trying to get BB/healing you are dead, with or without AoLS. Also, if you are killed equipped with a AoLS early you are probably going to get killed again by the same monster(s). Being resurrected doesn´t improve your current situation when stuck in a corner surrounded by pit vipers... http://tankefel.blogspot.com/ So far you have only killed one wild cat. |
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Alex Registered user Master Necromancer Last page view: 6719 days, 33 minutes and 1 second ago. |
Gozer, if I was in DH:2 for the first time and ran into a werewolf king for example, I'd much rather have eternium plate than an AOLS. What do you wish for? wands of cat repellent_ |
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TheTimpen Registered user Last page view: 7060 days, 2 hours and 51 minutes ago. |
Tower eternium shields have saved my life many many times. Think past the instant effect, aol ressurecting you. But the tower shield blocking tenfolds maybe even houndreds of hits that could have killed you. When you run around on lvl 4 with 30 hp. Even despite you get ressurected, that "insert strong monster here" will hunt you down perticulary easy after you are ressurected. While the eternium plate mail might reduce his 15 dmg per hit to 2 dmg per hit. Which is much much more useful. You often die lategame out of stupidity. After lvl 30 you can almost take out anything if you approach it carefully. Sure, there are some exceptions but at that stage of the game socr/saving wish for speed @ ultra ending is much more useful. |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
Ok, clearly I am alone here but I TOTALLY disagree with Sargoth, Alex, and TheTimpen (which is fine - we are all entitled to our own opinions and strategic preferences). Personally, I always play a cautious game. The most important lesson that I have learnt from playing ADOM hundreds, if not thousands, of times is that to beat this game you HAVE to minimise mistakes. It doesn't matter what character you play or what ending you are going for, you WILL NOT win unless you play a near-flawless game (luck tends to even out via the RNG). Because I play a cautious game, I avoid many of the situations where eternium armour/shields might prove more valuable over several rounds than an AoLS. So, Sargoth, I would take pains NOT to be cornered by pit vipers. And, Alex, I hardly EVER enter the DH (especially not with anything other than a very high level chaarcter!) BECAUSE it is so dangerous. I agree that if you die early on with an AoLS the chances are good that you will probably get killed again soon by whatever killed you the first time. But, frankly, if you don't play cautiously enough to avoid needless deaths like these then you are going to struggle to be successful in the first place. Very high level characters can die just as quickly as low level characters (e.g., death ray, starving, crushed to death, mimic hiveminds, etc., etc.) through stupidity or a failure to play cautiously enough. The AoLS is the ONLY item that protects the player from himself/herself. Eternium armour/shields simply stave off the inevitable - death from stupidity or not being cautious enough. While they may do this successfully in the early game, they will prove less effective later on. An AoLS actually encourages more caution and intelligence because you know that you only have one backup if you screw up. But eternium armour and shields can actually have the opposite efefct by making a player believe that his low level character is virtually invulnerable - only to find out s/he isn't when s/he bumps into their first real challenge later on (by which time it will probably be too late). Furthermore, if you survive the early game you are practically guaranteed to get eternium protection sooner or later. An AoLS, on the other hand, is EXTREMELY rare - regardless of what level you are at. |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 4109 days, 4 hours, 9 minutes and 32 seconds ago. |
But then again an AoLS will only save you once as someone already said, and about the deathray,, if you die to a deathray, then what prevents the monster to kill you again after you are resurrected. Against most monsters I would choose a tower eternium shield or an eternium plate mail oven an AoLS "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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TheTimpen Registered user Last page view: 7060 days, 2 hours and 51 minutes ago. |
I don't need an aols to be encouraged to use caution. Socr protect from the thing that threatens a high lvl character most, corruption. But we were talking about low lvls here. Yes, eternium are almost guaranteed later, but it helps _alot_ in the beginning. If you say: "An AoLS actually encourages more caution and intelligence because you know that you only have one backup if you screw up." I'll say: "No aols actually encourages more caution and intelligence because you know that you have no backup if you screw up." [Edited 1 time, last edit on 8/28/2004 at 09:23 (GMT -5) by TheTimpen] |
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Sargoth Registered user Bard Last page view: 5166 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
When facing death rays, i would say that a AoDRR is preferable to AoLS due to the high amount of hitpoints creatures capable of casting that spell generally have. Unless you can kill it with one hit/spell, you WILL get hit by it the next time it makes a throw, killing you again. Which kind of defeats the point, eh? (A bit OT, i know.) And Gozer, no caution in the world lets you avoid falling into a viper pit in a corridor on level one of the village dungeon... http://tankefel.blogspot.com/ So far you have only killed one wild cat. |
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TheTimpen Registered user Last page view: 7060 days, 2 hours and 51 minutes ago. |
You could always search for like 100 turns before making each step forward ^.^ |
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Cepheid Unregistered user |
Gozer, if you are playing a nearly flawless game you wouldn't need an AoLs would you? I have never played a melee character... so I am always able to take hard monsters out by range... |
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Gozer Unregistered user |
Cepheid: The key word in "nearly flawless" is "nearly" |
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TheTimpen Registered user Last page view: 7060 days, 2 hours and 51 minutes ago. |
Aol is useful if you can waste a wish lategame. But most of the times you can't. Just scum bdc some time and you'll find one if you really need it to survive. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 8/30/2004 at 07:51 (GMT -5) by TheTimpen] |
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Achilles Registered user Mymirdon King Last page view: 7218 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
What i prefer in wishes is skills: i check for: 1. find weakness 2. dodge 3. food preservation 4. stealth 5. herbalism then i will wish for rings of weakness...rings of elemental mastery...then rings of luck, after that i usually go for the SoCR...but this is just me "Not Zeus himself nor any other Power Shall save this madman who defies the Gods!"---Phoebus Apollo |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5976 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
Achilles, what about Concentration? That's my favourite skill to wish for, because with it maxed out, even a barbarian can learn some spells. |
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Alex Registered user Master Necromancer Last page view: 6719 days, 33 minutes and 1 second ago. |
.. surely Achilles I didn't read you right when you said you'd WISH for stealth? got something against Yergius? What do you wish for? wands of cat repellent_ |
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Amazarak Registered user Last page view: 7114 days, 11 hours, 49 minutes and 6 seconds ago. |
'bout wishing for skills : IMHO food preservation should be wished for first (if you don't have it already), because having it equals (usually) 6 PoCC, not to mention increase in number of corpses found (quite nice in QT & BT) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 9/7/2004 at 09:01 (GMT -5) by Amazarak] |
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 Armada Registered user Last page view: 1436 days, 18 hours and 40 seconds ago. |
Detect item status is nice if altars are rare, find weakness is a real boon. Herbalism if for some reason you don't have it.. Alertness and healing are skills you sadly can't wish for.. Not sure of what else people enjoy as skills |
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Achilles Registered user Mymirdon King Last page view: 7218 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
mmm...didnt know about Yergius...i just get pickpocketing from him...its been a while since ive read the guide...lol...i better brush up. "Not Zeus himself nor any other Power Shall save this madman who defies the Gods!"---Phoebus Apollo |
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