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 Kyp Durron Registered user Last page view: 8541 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
Looks like I got here first! Well I'd like to start this ADOM discussion by writing a list of some improvements, similier to the one in the old forum. Only in this forum we can use a lot more utilities! Here's a few I gathered that we could maybe talk over and elaborate on etc:
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Locke Registered user Treasure hunter Last page view: 8109 days, 12 hours, 18 minutes and 48 seconds ago. |
More corruption sources? Why? Corruption is not the biggest problem in ADOM (chaotic PC's an exception maybe). Mostly the surges of power only give a crappy artifect and a bad ass guardian. (I had "Thunderstroke" guarded by a diamond golem in ToEF yesterday. Yuck!) Better graphics? Erm, again: Why? IMO, the ASCII-represantation is just fine. The other suggestions sounds like good ones to me. :) Locke Cole |
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Kyp Durron Registered user Last page view: 8541 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
I agree Locke, curruption is the biggest problem in the game and it is severely annoying and upsetting to watch your expertly trained, skilled and advancedly equiped character that you've spent ages working on grow 10 more eyes, or develop hooves for feet etc. I hate curruption, that is why it says in suggestion number two I said "More CURE curruption sources and not "#More curruption sources" you must have just missed that minor word out because I'd be stupid to wish more curruption wouldn't I! The graphics are good enough as they are I guess too. Kyp Durron |
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Locke Registered user Treasure hunter Last page view: 8109 days, 12 hours, 18 minutes and 48 seconds ago. |
Oops! My bad. I meant: Why more cure corruption sources? Then I said, correctly: Corruption is not the biggest problem. That's my opinion anyway. My very first winner (drakish elementalist) had only 4 corruptions after he closed the gate. And I still had 4 SoCR and the unicorn's quest... Locke Cole |
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Kyp Durron Registered user Last page view: 8541 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
God knows how you did that, I get very currupted in the ToEF and various temples thanks to them grues. By the time I've got right to the Chaos Gate I'm only about 1 or 2 curruptions away with dying. But even one curruption is enough to really depress me as I know it means that it will carry on till I'm dead, unless I cure it which I mostly can't because SoCC and PoCC are as rare as Ki'Jins. Kyp Durron |
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Ade Registered user Being perverse is bad Last page view: 7918 days, 16 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
I like the idea of "minor artifacts" that would have perhaps just one or two of the "artifact-abilities" and would be a bit more common, with perhaps weaker guardians. You make my life and times A book of bluesy saturdays |
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Stas Registered user The Dark Lord Melkor Last page view: 7862 days, 57 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
aiming magic bolts... I mean, why the hell you can fire bolts/magic missiles only to N, E, S, W, and their mid directions? improved acid ball would be very kewl... "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger" Lord of The Rings "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will anger the cat lord" |
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Caladriel Registered user ReGiStErEd UsEr Last page view: 4907 days, 23 hours, 14 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
I still like the idea of a Doppleganger Emporor. A monster that _is_ you (Your strength, speed, resistances, spells, weapons, armour, etc) I would see it as a double challenge: - For the player, how do you defeat a monster that is truly as powerful as you. - For TB, how do you create an AI that can go head to head with a human. |
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Palagran Registered user Furry Hybrid Last page view: 6572 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes and 34 seconds ago. |
Doppleganger kings are already supposed to be better than the PC. |
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Sengoku Registered user Last page view: 8140 days, 23 hours, 21 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Doppleganger kings? Wow, is there like a castle with them in with a Queen and all that?? I've only met a normal Doppleganger and I think they make you go all funny by confusing you. Oh yeah, I remember - I drowned once because he looked like me and I tried to hit him but I jumped into a near by cavern river instead and it didn't even warn me. Doppleganger kings must be hard then? |
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Palagran Registered user Furry Hybrid Last page view: 6572 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes and 34 seconds ago. |
I'd say. You should avoid them at all costs! I suggest a web/acid combo if you must fight one. |
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Caladriel Registered user ReGiStErEd UsEr Last page view: 4907 days, 23 hours, 14 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
Palagran: Are you sure the DK is supposed to be _better_ than the PC? By the time you meet a Doppleganger King, most people are at least acid resistant, and strong enough to break webs. If the DK is better than you, web/acid should not be as much a problem for it. |
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Palagran Registered user Furry Hybrid Last page view: 6572 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes and 34 seconds ago. |
I'm going by the monster description. It says so. How that actually ties into the DK, I don't know exactly. I'm pretty sure at least speed (excluding points required for movement) and HP are higher by a certain percentage. Scry the exec for a dopplegangar king description to see. Acid/web works quite well in my experience. [Edited at 21:37, Wednesday, June 27, 2001 by Palagran] |
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Caladriel Registered user ReGiStErEd UsEr Last page view: 4907 days, 23 hours, 14 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
That's just the description. I am pretty sure that the DK has set statistics. The DE, as I picture it, would have powers that equal yours, regardless of how strinbg you are. ie. same speed, same healing, same strength, same DV same PV, same resistances, same spells. The only way to beat it would be with strategy. |
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Ade Registered user Being perverse is bad Last page view: 7918 days, 16 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
Claadriel> But it'd still be better than you - it couldn't be hit with missile weapons, but you'd still most probably get hit by one... btw, I've never seen a doppleganger fire a missile weapon or cast a spell. You make my life and times A book of bluesy saturdays |
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Palagran Registered user Furry Hybrid Last page view: 6572 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes and 34 seconds ago. |
I think it'd be strange for the description to be like that and it not be true at least in some ways. |
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Ade Registered user Being perverse is bad Last page view: 7918 days, 16 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
Yes, you're right... but when the monster-inventory thingie is implemented, I'd wish for dopplegangers (or lords/kings at least) to use same weapons as you and shoot missiles. Perhaps even fire some spells. You make my life and times A book of bluesy saturdays |
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Tekki2 Unregistered user |
actually...based on your stats DK is better. With my super-fast wizard Trefalgar a DK had equal speed to me. He was the only one who could kill me...luckily i killed him first |
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 Schnitzelnator Registered user Last page view: 8387 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
Just to clear a few things up: Doppelganger Kings have the same speed, DV and PV like you, but their hitpoints (maybe also damage) vary as they gain levels. So later they ARE indeed stronger than you. m00. |
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taffy Unregistered user |
their speed is the same, but energy costs for movement aren't copied. so if you have a ranger/monk/7LB you can take them out with strategy ala those skeletons/beetle things in crawl. |
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Sengoku Registered user Last page view: 8140 days, 23 hours, 21 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Anyway, let's not drift too much away from the subject... I think a new types of people should be made, not just ones that you go around killing, ignoring or getting quests off: Wild Deer - Always leaves a corpse that is as nutritous as an uncursed large ration. Not very good armour, high DV, quite high speed, always are afriad and follows other Wild Deer. Reason, because the survival skill could be used to hunt herds of them etc. Traveler - Mostly friendly and offers to trade certain items for other items (potions for food etc). You meet them in the wilderness. Reason, because it makes the game more interesting and gives more use for attributes like appearance and charisma and skills like haggling. Mermaids - Appear also in bodies of water, mostly in the wilderness ones. You must have swimming to meet them. They either swim away from you or talk to you depending on your appearence and charisma. Reason, to maybe recieve magical items off them or be given a water elemental as a pet or something. Red Rooster - ???? Reason, because Thomas invented the whole thing about them and I wouldn't mind seeing what they could do etc. Any more ideas would be great!
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ElectroGnome Unregistered user |
About the top of this subject: It is CORRUPTION, not curruption. Oh yeah, and its emperor instead of emporor. |
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Terry Unregistered user |
Sengoku, red roosters wouldn't do much, apart from eating them etc. |
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Sengoku Registered user Last page view: 8140 days, 23 hours, 21 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Terry, the Red Rooster is so powerful that it could grant you smegging wishes! |
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Terry Unregistered user |
has anyone actually met a red roostre on this game then or what? |
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Jan Erik Administrator Last page view: 9 days, 3 hours, 8 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
Well some people claim that the multi headed ancient chaos dragon is the red rooster. Other than that, no. Jan Erik Mydland HoF admin |
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Sengoku Registered user Last page view: 8140 days, 23 hours, 21 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Heh, those some people who claimed that the multi-headed ancient chaos dragon was the red rooster must of had the following assets:
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J. Unregistered user |
About those surges of power: Yes, they seem to be real rare in 1.0.0. So far I've only got one - in PC:5 guarded by named orc chieftain. Not too bad, I was playing an elementalist (IIRC) and easily scorched him to death. Unfortunately he was guarding... Black tome of Alsophocus. Now there is one useless artifact... |
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Locke Registered user Treasure hunter Last page view: 8109 days, 12 hours, 18 minutes and 48 seconds ago. |
There are not a single useless item in ADOM, period. :) Locke Cole |
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J. Unregistered user |
Locke: Oh yeah ? Then tell me what use this could be: black tome "black tome of Alsophocus" weight: 400s powers: random spell when read, corrupts, contains essense of chaos and corruption I'll NOT use things that corrupt. Ever. I would've sacrificed that stupid useless piece of crap but there was not a single altar in PC (IIRC). And carrying that corrupting piece of s**t all the way to dwarftown...no way ! |
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