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 Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 6095 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
I remember somebody once mentioned where the best place was to dip rings in PoE to get RoDS, but don't remember. Wasn't there a minimum level in the CoC where a RoDS can be generated, but where other high-level rings won't be? I went to DH:1 and used about four PoE on a heap of about 8 rings that changed first to rings of slaying, then rings of stun resistance, then rings of cold resistance, then rings of speed. So right now I still have about four PoE and 10 rings of speed [+0, +1] (speed +5). Also, when exchanging items using blessed PoE, do all types have an equal possibility of being changed to? Because, if the same probabilities for normal generation hold true for exchanges, I'm going to need a *lot* more PoE if I hope to get RoDS... Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" [Edited 1 time, last edit on 7/23/2006 at 15:32 (GMT -5) by Kirbot] |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5824 days, 12 hours, 16 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
AFAIK it DOES actually matter where the dipping is done. It is not an equal probability but is dependent on danger level. I recall someone mentioning D8 as the optimal place, but I've also got good results in casino. Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
Hey yeah, I seem to remember D:8 too, so that must be it then. When you dip, you'll have equal chance of getting RoDS as any other type of ring (available). So if you deep at D:7 youll have 0% of RoDS because they cannot be generated. At D:8 they can, and you'll have a nice ~4%(?) chance. As you go deeper more ring types are unlocked and the percentage drops (to ~3% mabye?). Not sure about numbers, as I have again lost my table of items and danger level needed for generation. Those higher rings will push down RoDS chance, but may in themselves be more useful. Mabye Elemental mastery or slaying. But need to check list if you think lower RoDS chance is worth higher chance of useful rings. And Im not sure they are useful either, I would just assume they are. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 7/25/2006 at 22:53 (GMT -5) by Molach] |
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Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 6095 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
By the way, what does AFAIK mean? I've seen it used on this forum several times, but I've never seen it used before elsewhere. Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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PeanutGod Registered user Lord of Misery Last page view: 5263 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes and 34 seconds ago. |
As Far As I Know...............if I'm correct. Ladies and Gentleman, take my advice. Pull down your pants, and slide on the ice. |
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Taarn Unregistered user |
yup, what he said. It's a slightly uncommon acronym, but definatly floating around... |
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Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 6095 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Ah, ok. I can usually figure out what an acronym means by context, but that one seemed to elude me... Thanks, guys. Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
PeanutGod should have said "As Far As I Know, AFAIK" I was long puzzled about the IMHO. But I suddenly grasped IMO, and just added humble. |
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PeanutGod Registered user Lord of Misery Last page view: 5263 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes and 34 seconds ago. |
I do apologise for that..... Ladies and Gentleman, take my advice. Pull down your pants, and slide on the ice. |
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Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 6095 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Humble? I'd always thought the H stood for Honest. Humble works too though. Kind of like, is LOL Lots Of Laughter, or Laugh Out Loud? Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Humble is what it's meant to be - it's very often misused though (since few people giving their opinions are very humble about it). LOL is Laugh Out Loud - again misused, since few people actually do this, though not as badly used as ROFL and LMAO (how does your ass actually come off through laughter?) A friend told me once that when his parents started using e-mail they put LOL at the bottom of every message thinking it meant Love On-Line... Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 6095 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Back to the main topic, does anybody know if there's a list of all the items' danger levels? Like what the minimum level for generating seven league boots is, etc.? Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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kwik-e-mart Unregistered user |
http://folk.ntnu.no/houeland/adom/results/datadump |
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Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 6095 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Nice! Thank you so much. Bookmarking... Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
So the rings you avoid by dipping at D:8 are: Karmic absortion (DL 9) <- totally useless Minor elemental mastery (DL 15) <- mostly useless since you get RotHK Elemental mastery (DL 15) Invisibility (DL 10) Slaying (DL 15) <- I always find a few of these anyway Regeneration (DL 12) Weakness (DL 10) <- very good --- So dip at D:8 for RoDS, dip higher if you want to have a shot at the other types. Dipping at DH is not needed as we see (DH 1 is danger 40, DH 2 is 45) |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
Byyy the way, does this mean that its safe to dip the higher rings at D:8 in potions of chaos? It can't turn into same item then |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
did some ressearch on there it is better to dip d8 or DH2: character: raven born l50 human archer equipment: blessed ankh, blessed ring of master cat, blessed ring of luck stats of interest: mana-99, manual states it has something to do with a luck:) number of dips into blessed PoE: 500 in each place ring name times in D8 times in DH2 acid resistance 30 31 brass 21 12 clear mind 14 12 cold resistance 39 33 damage 43 27 defense 13 7 djinni summoning 21 14 doom 22 20 gain attribute 1 2 Pe in d8, To and Ma in DH2 fire 17 14 fire resistance 40 29 fish 35 24 ice 16 9 luck 23 13 protection 19 12 searching 38 36 see invisble 16 16 speed 23 21 stun resistance 35 36 teleport control 15 11 wedding 12 17 high level rings: elemental mastery - 4 invisbility - 31 karmic absorption - 2 minor el. mastery - 4 regeneration - 15 slaying - 30 weakness - 8 conclusion: chances to get certain rings are quite diferent (fire resistance vs gain atribute) odds RoDS are something like 4% in D8 and 3% in DH2 A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 9/29/2006 at 12:43 (GMT -5) by Soirana] |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
trick with higher rings at lower rings seem to work. at least it doesn;t explode fro me. so my imagination on best way to obtain a wish were ring trickery: dip heap of rings (ideally 19) into blessed PoEx in DH. if you get higher rings go up make potions of aw chaos from scythe, exchange heap one by one getting a good bunch of extra chances. repeat untill out of PoEx. and given chances of gain atribute i would dip them into raw chaos too. the question is how high you rsurface. maybe it's worth leaving extra chance for yet another higher then d8 ring to dip into raw chaos again? A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Sirrocco Unregistered user |
probability says no. If all you'ld be doing with higher rings is redipping them, then you don't actually improve your chances. You just burn potions of raw chaos (ie, potions of whatever you were using plus a bit of taint.) Think about it this way, using silly numbers. Suppose you have a 50/50 chance at optimal level of getting what you want. A few levels below, you have a 40% chance of getting a "higher ring" that can be easily exchanged with potions of raw chaos. You're now down to 40/30/30: 40% high rings, 30% what you want, and 30% dead end. If you immediately run chaos on the high rings, at optimal level, you split that 40% 50/50, resulting in exactly the same chance as you would have gotten if you'ld done the exchange there in the first place. Obviously, these are not the numbers you'ld be using, but the principle holds true. Now, assuming that the PoRC trick does work, you can still use it both to take a shot at transforming any high rings you may be getting as monster drops and to collect that pack of 19 in the first place. Also, if you care more about getting one or two than about getting many, and have the potions and taint to burn, it could be worthwhile to do the trick as originally described, but high-swapping singletons to give the chance for redipping idoes absolutely no good. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Heh, now that is a clever tactic, Soirana - will have to remember that. There's about a 1 in 5 chance of getting high level rings on DH2, and using raw chaos on 19 of them one at a time on D8 will give about a 50% chance of netting a RoDS. Also, it should be noted that if you want large stacks of rings then most are above level 1 and you can use PoRC on D1 to turn them into acid/cold/fire/stun resistance, defense, protection, brass or wedding. It's a pity wands don't stack, otherwise we could have some fun trying to get large piles of wands of wishing. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Soirana unplugged Unregistered user |
sirocco: read thread above about chances. if only ROdS would come at 50 procent rate... back to reality: if you start with ring of slaying danger level15. dip into raw chaos at d14. got ring of invisibilty dip in d11. karmik absorbtion in d8. so you can make chain each time getting these pesky 3-4 procent working for you. and i don't mind burning potions like stun recovery or boost charisma. nice tactics on getting ring stash, haven;t thought of it. i think i'll have to do final testing with potions of raw chaos. something like boring couple hundred dips. |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
ok. done 150 dips of rings of slaying into raw chaos at d14. none explode, none become RoDS. i'm puzzled. does anyone had some comments? A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
It's technically within the realms of probability. Okay, so it's less than a 1% chance of happening, but maybe...? My best guess would be that you can't get RoDS from dipping in potions of raw chaos - perhaps someone can verify if they've ever achieved this. Can you list the results of what you did get? In particular did you still get rings between danger level 9 and 14? Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
from a result file: damage - 13 cold-11 mental stab-6 see invis - 4 luck -7 fire - 2 invisibility -12 brass-3 speed-7 damage-2 stun resist -12 regeneration-3 prot-2 search-9 acid-9 fish-11 clear mind-6 fire resist-9 wedding-7 damage-2 defense-6 doom-4 ice-3 tp control-2 150dips in raw chaos of ring slaying in d14/animated forest i haven't got a streak longer then 150 with potions of exchange. it gets okay with my previous experience. i've heard rumours of people getting Rods via raw chaos. i've tested the same lever d14 just because that was animated forested with potions of exchange with the same character. just because that is save file with 2k of PoEX. they work Ok. i can get rings of invisbility and regenartion. i think i've saw karmic absorbsobtion but i've might raw chaosed it too. give me a number you consider out of probability and i might try it then i get sober (quess about next monday evening:)). edit:sorry for my english, i'm not that good at foreign lanquages at drunk state and o've done testing before drinking so you can be sure in results. edit2: by previuos experience i meant i never got RTods via raw chaos. never with higher rings nor with usual. and i remember one char gotten blasted to purple j while trying this. she got 5 SoCR -- dwarven mystic+high mountain village. so i've got to long streaks on the side you can't get RoDS via potion of raw chaos. edit3: just got confirmation via google groups form brojek who is somewhat worth of trusting "Code-diving revealed that RoDS are out when dipping into potions of raw chaos. Same with wands of wishing. " as i said it corresponds well with my experience. and is smwhat logical. respect for TB once again. idea is totally blasted. dipping in D8 seems to be a best deal. unless you are for a ring of ice or a teleport control. damn it was a best idea for adom i've erver had. edit4: scannned google groups opinions on tihis point differs a lot. damn it. it means a lot of extra testing. read ideas: RoDS via Raw chaos 1:30, or need to use brass rings for a start. just then i get sober...hick.... A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 11/23/2006 at 10:59 (GMT -5) by Soirana] |
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Blacklion Registered user Jellies... BAH! Last page view: 5216 days, 11 hours, 56 minutes and 1 second ago. |
Soirana: You sure you used correct potions? ;) "You drink the potion of booze. Wow! Pure Dwarven Ale!" "-ring of invisibility" "You drink the potion of booze. Wow! Pure Dwarven Ale!" "- ring of mental shummoning....hick!" .. . :D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
if you know how to order dwarven ale just let me know A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
Well you can get Viking ale - mead/mjød here in Norway. Pretty much the same, mabye? |
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Blacklion Registered user Jellies... BAH! Last page view: 5216 days, 11 hours, 56 minutes and 1 second ago. |
http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammerworld/bugmans/ |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Soirana, I'd suggest repeating the 150 test. Then chances of it failing to produce a RoDS again are small enough that if you don't succeed we'll presume it's simply not possible (or that the chances are so low as to make it a useless tactic). Makes me wonder what are the good, reliable uses of PoRC... I've heard of people using them to get lots of fletchery sets - I imagine higher metal ingots dipped on D1 are the most reliable way to do this. To get amulets of life saving dipping on D2 would be best, and the safe amulets/necklaces to use would be chaos, order, balance, teleport control, health, mana, free action, silver tongue, cold heart, water breathing, luck, speed and hunger. This is definitely something I'll have to try next time I'm after this little item. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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side note Unregistered user |
Soirana: notice the bit where I said "using silly numbers". notice the bit wher I said "Suppose". I was trying to demonstrate the mathematical principle, not calculate the actual percentages. Please do not attempt to correct me without fully reading what I have written. |
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