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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5766 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 57 seconds ago. |
Could a High Elven Barbarian with Concentration and Literacy at 100 cope with reading a simple spellbook like Fire Bolt or Frost Bolt? If so, what's the best way to get these skills to 100? Currently I have Literacy at 64, and its modifier seems to be stuck at +1, although it occasionally goes up by itself since I've been reading gravestones a lot. No Concentration yet - no chance to wish for it, and I'm not sure whether it's worthwhile. What about other combat wombat classes like Fighters and Beastfighters? Can they be trained to read spellbooks? |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3118 days, 7 hours, 40 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Beastfighter - propably not. They're even dumber then barbarians Fighter - Elves and Gnomes can, other races may have problems. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5766 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 57 seconds ago. |
Oh, and if Barbarians can't cast spells, how on Earth are they going to cope with the Bug Temple now? Even in version 1.0.0 I had a pretty hard time beating it with a Mindcrafter. |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5665 days, 7 hours, 5 minutes and 57 seconds ago. |
Blessed 7LB and good missile skills? Meleeing might be a bit hard unless you had 200 DV or something... If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3118 days, 7 hours, 40 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Not quite - stealth at 100 and invisibility lets you backstabb the bugs on the surface (at least I did that in 1.11 with invis&stealth 100), and the bugs in the temple can albo be taken down in melee - just a good weapon is needed, so you can one-hit-kill them - like the Axe of the Minotaur King (Vanquisher doesn't help, it does NOT slay bugs :( - found out the hard way and had to run away from killers - survived, because of speed 152 and 7LB) Get rid of ALL DV lowering equipment, remember that a [+1,0] clothes are better than [0,+17] eterinium plate mail, don't fight more then 1 at once (if you can kill them with one hit, you can fight more, but don't EVER let more than 1 near you), use wands. And having ridiculous DV doesn't hurt either. Two shields+coward tactics+wand of Fireball might help near the stairway. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Gordismo Registered user False God Last page view: 7470 days, 21 hours, 58 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Or just go in, play a few tunes on your harp, and watch them kill each other. :D "The past is a ghost that haunts you from the moment it exists until the moment you don't" |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3756 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes and 47 seconds ago. |
Does the Darkness spell do any good? They see invisible, yes; but can they do it in the dark?... At least it should keep them from totally surrounding the PC until s/he gets into a corridor. Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5766 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 57 seconds ago. |
Damn, my Barbarian died to a greater undead vault after getting her stats severely drained. I wonder whether Darkness does any good in there - i.e. is it safe to get up close to an emperor lich in the dark? |
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eL Registered user Long lost brother Last page view: 7185 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
btw, aren't dark elves supposed to see in the darkness? :) It's very hard to be humble, when you are great. |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5665 days, 7 hours, 5 minutes and 57 seconds ago. |
I guess you meant that as a joke bacause of the smiley but if you didn't then I'd like to ask why should dark elves see in the darkness? If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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Tanthalas Pathfinder Registered user aka Tanthie Last page view: 7055 days, 10 hours, 14 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
They have darkvision but the darkness you find in the adom is like the spell and even dark elves can't see through it but, for example, demons can. Or at least in D&D they can. Btw in D&D you can't light darkness (the spell) by torch and in Adom you can. Adom doesn't really work like D&D works so who cares anyway what I'm talking. Blah. Must get away from here. *disappears* "When watching anime, never worry about the consequences." |
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Warlord Registered user Wanderer of the Wastes Last page view: 7533 days, 20 hours, 56 minutes and 39 seconds ago. |
TP is right. The "elven fire" ( or whatever it's name is) works just like that. Dark elves see the heat, but the dark from the spell is as dark to them as it is for everyone else. - May the blood of thine enemies stain the ground - |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5766 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 57 seconds ago. |
I finally got a High Elven Barbarian with Concentration and Literacy at 100, but she still had a hard time with spellbooks. Sometimes it would work (she even has ~180 castings of Identify now) but sometimes even simple spellbooks would have nasty effects. Oh well, AFAIK the only permanent bad effect of reading a difficult spellbook is loss of Toughness, and if it's not too high to begin with, it can be repaired with morgia roots. |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5766 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes and 57 seconds ago. |
I took my spellcasting Barbarian down to the bug temple, and she didn't seem to have much difficulty in there! On the top level, she mostly just crept up on the bugs in Coward mode, before going Berserk and killing them in one whack. On the bottom level, she used bolt spells a bit more, but still often finished off injured bugs in melee. However, she died in the Earth Temple after she got surrounded by a horde of earth elementals which killed her before she could kill them. Would invisibility have helped in there? |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5665 days, 7 hours, 5 minutes and 57 seconds ago. |
I'm not sure but offhand I'd say they see invisible. Earth temple can be very mean because of the fact that the grues and elementals can pass through walls. Next time I suggest you lure them to an upper level a few at a time so you've got a better chance and can rest in between battles. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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buttnugget Registered user Last page view: 7631 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
btw, getting literacy to 100 can be done fairly easily. i can get a grey elf paladin to 100 before lvl 10. not sure about barbarians. here's what i do. simply start the game by going to SMC and reading the scrolls in the room you find them over and over. ~50 reads should do to bring your potential up to 100, probably with a 3d3 or 2d4. i dunno about trolls though, with a learning so low it might not help that much. |