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Anarchy Registered user yAwN Last page view: 4900 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Ok,so pretty much EVERYTHING you do in ADOM is chaotic.Killing lawfuls,robbing shops,slay neutral monsters,pickpocketing,etc.I find it quite hard to avoid chaotic acts.Anyway,do chaotics benefit from anything?Why the heck do they want to be corrupted anyway?Just to transform into a writhing mass of chaos?Arr.I'm babbling right now.Lastly,I find no benefits by becoming Chaotic.If someone can prove me to be wrong,please do so. Boredom ceases bladder. |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3120 days, 10 hours, 58 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
You just mentioned all of them: you can kill anyone (more xps), do chaotic quests, rob shops, pickpocket and dig up graves, all without any penalty. Lawfuls and neutrals cannot do most of that too often, or risk falling from championhood. Ofcourse, the Chaotic/neutral/lawfull thingy is premanent only if you get crowned, otherwise you can change your alignment anytime you want without penalty. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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C Registered user Last page view: 6296 days, 15 hours, 33 minutes and 41 seconds ago. |
One benefit would be the endings (only), you get corrupted faster and such, chaotic games are more interesting, harder (wanna challenge?) but besides that I couldn't think of anything. |
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Ryan Klein Registered user Because I said so is why! Last page view: 1658 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
It's easy to be evil. Being good is the challenge. |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3120 days, 10 hours, 58 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
Is it? Being good is easyer, if you are evil, you get corrupted faster. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Ryan Klein Registered user Because I said so is why! Last page view: 1658 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
You become evil by doing the least little thing. You've got to work like hell to become lawful. |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5768 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Ryan: "It's easy to be evil"? But there are seven NPCs who hate chaotics and won't help them. Do you really want Jharod refusing to teach you Healing and the mystic giving you absolutely nothing? BTW, the painless way to become lawful is to wear the guaranteed blessed amulet of order. I think it's easiest to be neutral, because then almost all NPCs will talk to you. Also, if you get too close to chaotic, you can wear the amulet of order, and if you get too close to lawful, you can pick lots of pockets or kill a peaceful monster. |
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Ryan Klein Registered user Because I said so is why! Last page view: 1658 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
not eisier is in the game difficulty wise. Just in general. |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3759 days, 13 minutes and 16 seconds ago. |
Hmmm... I wonder if it's possible to complete the game if you never commit a lawful act? Other than killing chaotic monsters, of course... Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5768 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Actually, killing chaotic monsters is only a lawful act if they're significantly stronger than you. Even so, I guess never killing a strong chaotic would be the worst part of the "do nothing lawful" challenge. (Does it have a name? How about "true paragon of chaos"?) Another tricky part of the challenge would be dealing with altars. Once you fell below N= (and if you like picking pockets and eating undead corpses, you will), making large sacrifices at a neutral altar would be lawful and therefore forbidden. Perhaps once you've talked with the mystic, you should turn to the chaotic god, and remain his follower for evermore. You'd better start with the Healing skill unless you fancy killing Jharod. Corruption would likely be a serious problem. Saving Khelavaster is a lawful act (so no true paragon of chaos UCGs, unfortunately). Once you're chaotic, no trading corrupted corpses for PoCC either. Perhaps it would be better to go for ordinary chaos god, rather than hoping to be able to cleanse yourself after closing the gate. |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3120 days, 10 hours, 58 minutes and 18 seconds ago. |
There is NO way you could finish the game as a paragon of chaos... no Scrolls of Chaos Resistance (or a few if you are luck) since the mistic, Khelevaster and the Ministrel are neutral/lawfull :( You would become a mass of chaos before you could close the gate... at least from my experiance. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5768 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Well, I was thinking you could start out neutral/lawful, and though you'd be bound to turn chaotic eventually, it wouldn't have to happen until you'd talked to the mystic. Also, what's the trouble with the Minstrel? Won't the Ghost Librarian give the weird tome to chaotics? Or won't the Minstrel reward them with SoCR? |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3120 days, 10 hours, 58 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Doesn't neutral acts count as non-chaotic? That would disable the mistic and all other neutral quests. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Ekaterin Moderator on this forum Last page view: 5768 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Maelstrom, what do you mean by a "neutral act"? There are a few things in ADOM that pull your alignment towards N=, for example Guth-Alak's quest to kill the black druid. I'd say that if you were N- or worse to start with, this is a lawful act (and forbidden to a paragon of chaos). If you are N+ or better, it makes you more chaotic, so it's a chaotic act, and a paragon of chaos can do it. As far as I know, talking to the mystic has no effect on your alignment whatsoever. It's just that he prefers you to be neutral. Same with the Minstrel - I don't believe that giving him the weird tome changes your alignment. Basically what I'm saying is that a paragon of chaos is banned from doing anything that could cause him to "feel as if behaving in proper form" if he had the Law skill, but that's the only restriction. |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3120 days, 10 hours, 58 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Your right, I forgot that there is no "you feel as if behaving in neutral form" message. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Anarchy Registered user yAwN Last page view: 4900 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
I STILL think that being chaotic is useless.Anyway,does pickpocketing hostile monsters count as a chaotic act? Boredom ceases bladder. |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3120 days, 10 hours, 58 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
It does. Beeing chaotic is usless?! Artefacts lay by your side like garbadge, money has no uses anymore (well...you can throw it at enemies), you can sacrifice ANY living monsters. And you say it is useless? If it wasn't for my tendency to stay too long in the wilderness (check out Bloodbath from the HoF to see how long :D ) I'd be as chaotic as possible. Corruption is the only thing I'm afraid of ;) A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5667 days, 10 hours, 23 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
It's fun, you don't have to worry about anything you can just kill everyone you meet and pickpocket and dig up graves and apply necromancy without second thoughts:) If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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Anarchy Registered user yAwN Last page view: 4900 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
Ok,I'm not saying that being chaotic is COMPLETELY useless..it's just that,corruption is a very annoying thing.Who wants to turn into a mass of chaos when you're sooo close to winning the game?Arr.I hate corruptions. Boredom ceases bladder. |
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Anarchy Registered user yAwN Last page view: 4900 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
It's just that I have this thing about being chaotic(that's probably a reason why all my characters are lawful :D)... Boredom ceases bladder. |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5667 days, 10 hours, 23 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
I agree. The game is too hard for me the way it is I rarely make my game harder by trying to play it with a chaotic char :) If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |