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Some guy Unregistered user |
What dungeon levels can greater vaults be generated on? I'll be honest about why I'm asking... I have no actual ability with this game so I'm planning to cheat my arse off generating as many greater vaults as possible. |
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 pernicion Registered user High Pernicion Last page view: 6231 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes and 22 seconds ago. |
Try looking here http://www.andywlms.com/adom/adomgb-toc.html I think greater vaults are most likely on deeper levels of the Caverns of Chaos. They can be really tough, especially undead with those damned Emperor Lichs. So many stat drains. Good luck. The kobold cringes in pain |
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Some guy Unregistered user |
Well, I'm cheating like crazy, so I don't need luck as badly as most. |
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 Armada Registered user Last page view: 1234 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Tell us when you find your first major vault, what kind it is, and whats in it. Ive never encountered one myself, and would like to know how deep they are |
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Some guy Unregistered user |
Just checking.. is there always a chance that a greater vault can be generated on deep caves of chaos levels, or is vault location decided when you create your character? Because I've generated D:38 many times and I've only gotten "you shudder.." twice, and I don't want to try forever if there's no hope. Also, is there a better chance of getting greater vaults when lucky, doomed, or is that all superstition? |
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pernicion Registered user High Pernicion Last page view: 6231 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes and 22 seconds ago. |
I do not think that it is decided when you create your character. Each level is created when you first visit it. You are burning new ground for me. If you're not getting what you want on D:38, perhaps try deeper. Just watch out for greater undead vaults and greater karmic vaults. The kobold cringes in pain |
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Alex_ Unregistered user |
according to the guidebook, the 'You shudder' message indicates a trap-filled room, not a greater vault. 'You feel truly excited' indicates a greater vault. http://www.andywlms.com/adom/adomgb-0-13.html |
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Armada Registered user Last page view: 1234 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
He obviously knows that Alex, thats why he said "I dont want to keep trying if theres no hope" Meaning he knew it wasnt a vault, and just regenerated the level |
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Some guy Unregistered user |
I'm not the kind of guy who wants to tear this game apart bit by bit, and make everything happen the way I want it, so if I can't generate any good levels I'll just stop trying. I've already had really good luck so I probably don't need to scum anymore at all. While I was in the big room, trying to raise my dex to 27 with herbs, some random monster must have dropped a very, very good item without my noticing, because when I went down to sell my stuff, I read a blessed scroll of identify, and discovered... blessed wand of wishing (5 charges) I stared at that for a while before I realized what it was. And then I said "Sweeeeet!" |
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Some guy Unregistered user |
Okay, it looks like it's decided where you'll get vaults when you start the game. All the evidence points towards that. I used to start all my games with the same save file at the beginning of the game, and I always got all my vaults in the same places. Also, I did manage to find a greater vault on D:42, but this was first try. I tried 4 more times, and got one every time. Not the same kind of vault, though. So I can still generate greater vaults until I find one with artifacts I want, but I can't get more vaults than a non-scummer can. I guess this is something put in the game to thwart filthy scummers like me. Other things that are decided when you start the game are: Crowning gifts, and corruption order (unless you already have the artifact or corruption you were supposed to get). Pre/post crowning and uselessness gifts are still random. Also, this means that dooming/luck has no effect on greater vaults, so you can all put those silly ankhs and crowns of science (or whatever you use) away. I tried with ankh and RofMC, I tried javelin of doom, I got the vault both ways. |
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Warlord* Unregistered user |
Corruption order? I doubt it is decided when you start, as if it would it would be logical to assume that if you lose some corruption and regain that corruption level, the corruption would be the same, yet it isn't. |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3764 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
It is decided when you start, and the remaining corruptions reshuffled whenever you remove corruption. I think greater vaults are guaranteed on some levels (either fixed or randomly determined at the beginning of the game), and random on others... but that's just my opinion; I don't spend much time on the lower CoC since my average character dies at level 12! Die Gedanken sind Frei [Edited 2 times, last edit on 2/19/2004 at 16:01 (GMT -5) by Iridia] |
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KillerClawLobster Registered user Ancient Chaos Lobster Last page view: 6469 days, 57 minutes and 43 seconds ago. |
On the corruption order issue, it seems to me that the initial order is random, but once you have a corruption, then remove it, the odds seem to be in favor of that corruption coming back the next time. The All-Powerful Ancient Chaos Lobster is here. Boil some water and melt some butter! |
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Some guy Unregistered user |
Iridia: I don't think there are any guaranteed greater vaults. It is possible to never see a single one. The first character I scummed through to the end of the game never saw one. |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3764 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
Okay. Possibly there are some levels more prone to them than others?... Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5672 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
I can second what Some guy said about greater vaults not being guaranteed: my first two(and the only two so far) savescummed winners encountered a total of 0 greater vaults. Serves them right, being the cheating bastards they were. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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KillerClawLobster Registered user Ancient Chaos Lobster Last page view: 6469 days, 57 minutes and 43 seconds ago. |
Greater Vaults (apparently) are determined when you enter the COC, not at the begining of the game. I have used a saved character (back when I cheated) to scum for artifacts using that particular programming routine. Saved before going into the COC, saved again around DL25, then wandered down until a GV was found. Reload the save from DL25, and every time I entered the level the GV was on originally, another one was generated (though with differing monster types). But when I loaded the game I had saved before entering the COC, and went down to that same level again, no GV. Heck, no GV was in the entire dungeon on that trip! The All-Powerful Ancient Chaos Lobster is here. Boil some water and melt some butter! |
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Some guy Unregistered user |
I don't know exactly how it works, I just have theories. But a save file I've played from the beginning of the game several times always gets a vault on the level just below dwarftown. So maybe some vaults are decided when you start the game, some are decided when you enter COC... I don't really know. I'll leave the testing to somebody with a longer attention span than me. And the corruption order is definitely decided at the beginning of the game, because that file I started with always got the same corruption order. (Until I started removing corruptions, anyway) |
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wakka Registered user Tha kitten slayer Last page view: 6729 days, 7 hours, 41 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
at least in earlier versions the corruption order was fixed, or then I just kept getting the same ones by chance. And my point was... |