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Echo Registered user Last page view: 3583 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
What do you think is the best (easiest to win with) melee race/class combination? My vote is for gnomish barbarian. |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 5833 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
Is it just me, or orcish barbarian is a cinch compared to a gnomish barb? (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3904 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Drakish beastfighter "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Asdas Registered user Last page view: 6756 days, 3 hours, 3 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Could you also write at least few arguments, so that we can understand/learn something as well? |
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Echo Registered user Last page view: 3583 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
Drakish beastfighter, eh? The ToEF will bring one down. Gnomish barbarian is best because of fast exp gain. |
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Sargoth Registered user Bard Last page view: 4962 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
Hurthling assasins. Great skills, starts of with loads and loads of dagger marks and, to boot, a whole load of daggers. And cooking. Underestimated skill, that one. http://tankefel.blogspot.com/ So far you have only killed one wild cat. |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3904 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
I really don't get it with ToEF and drakelings, it's not that hard the speed will easily make up for it, I've finished the game with several drakelings and never faced any serious problems in the ToEF due to the heat. White dragon vaults are definitely more dangerous. Drakish beastfighters are good because: 1. drakelings start with the swimming skill 2. the ACW is easy due to the high speed 3. Beastfighters don't need weapons 4. The acid spit A few downsides: 1. White dragon vaults are very dangerous (but a great source of xp if you can handle them) 2. beastfighters start out without literacy and so do drakelings too, so you won't have literacy in the beginning. Anyway, I find this race/class combo to be one of the easiest in the game, and in the late game, they are real walking tanks "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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bennywan-kenobi Registered user Wizard of Olde Last page view: 6805 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
Trolls, although quite deficient in the LE category, can't be discounted when considering brute strength, however. Only a fool's hope..... [Edited 1 time, last edit on 9/13/2005 at 18:38 (GMT -5) by bennywan-kenobi] |
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tongHoAnh Registered user adoomed Last page view: 6633 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Troll? Man, I never beat the game with a lvl 50 one. My RL dumpyard: http://www.geocities.com/ceruleannebula/index.html |
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Nchurmdaz Registered user Goblin flash mobber Last page view: 5994 days, 13 hours, 57 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
bennywan-kenobi, their 'brute strenght' superiority ends as soon as *any* other char gets his paws on herbs + PoEX. *Dire* XP penalty keeps haunting poor troll for all his poor thirty years of lifespan (+one hit from Ghost Lord, and bye-bye!) Ubi patria ibi bene! |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5148 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
That Ghost vs. Troll thing comes up every time one talks about Trolls...afaik Orcs have shorter lifespan than Trolls. Trolls have gemology which should help getting LE up to a decent level once you find some pickaxes... I still hate them for the XP thing. Some special birth message might help a tiny bit, but they are still the pain. Weaponsmith can be a decent melee-class after some work. It would be an improvement if each race had a certain 'modifier' to their stats. Like, Trolls would have (extreme) 1.3 modifier in strength and Toughness, and 0.7 in learning. So a Troll with all stats at 99, would be comparable to a human (base race) with ST and TO of 130, and LE at 70, and never ever getting better LE. A troll with 25 STR would not be so extreme, but function like a human at STR 32 As it is, It would appear that 'weak' races have a tough start, but after a bit are every bit as good as the starting strong races. If I have a char with starting ST of 5, he will soon enough raise it to 16 just by walking around carrying stuff. And then his hardship will be over, and he gets to carry over other benefits as well. Those Troll modifiers are extreme, most would lie between 0.9-1.1 range. Or something. |
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tongHoAnh Registered user adoomed Last page view: 6633 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Since char created already have some scales in their stats, I think the stats should be ok the way is is now. The real problem in stat scaling in my opinion is the PoGA. Blessed ones, that is. My solution is simple: letting the blessed PoGA increase player's stat based on a scale of some sort. A troll with massive Ma compared to St shall gain 1 in St, guaranteed but no Ma whatsoever or he might get one with ultra-low chance. Once character getting to 50+ stats, their best source of char dev is PoGA. Thus from that point, we shall see some pattern. My RL dumpyard: http://www.geocities.com/ceruleannebula/index.html |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3606 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Molach, IIRC orcs have a lifespan of 50... And Morio, about your drakish beastfighter: "3. Beastfighters don't need weapons" Oh shit, I found Serpent's Bite in SMC, but aww, I'm a beastfigher, can't wear weapons... Anything like that ever happened to you? For the Horde! |
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Sargoth Registered user Bard Last page view: 4962 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
Things like that happen every time i play a beastfighter. It's darn annoying when you do the dargforge - can't do it without stumbling over something that would make a PC of an other class drool with happiness and anticipation... http://tankefel.blogspot.com/ So far you have only killed one wild cat. |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3904 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Mewto, actually my last drakish beastfighter found serpents bit in a lesser vault somewhere in the CoC (quite late in the game), and yes, that's a bit annoying, but beastfighters deal great amounts of damage without using weapons too. And yes you always find great weapons with beastfighters, but I still like them. Also, one more good thing about beastfighters: tehy get the ability to switch places with hostile monsters at lvl 32(?) "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3606 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
yup, lv 32. I guess you like beastfighters as much as I like wizards(alot!!!). Haven't played a beastfighter in about 2 years, gonna go play one now. Either drakish, hurthling or DE. For the Horde! |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5148 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Spoiler
Race..Start age..Max age..young.mid-age-old-v.old Orc...10+2d4.....35+3d4....15.....25....32...40 Troll.8+1d10.....35+12d4...15.....25....35...45 Orcs start avg. 15 years, die at avg. 42,5 years. Trolls start avg. 13,5 ys, die at avg. 65 years. (According to guidebook) Other max (averaged) ages: Drakeling: 80 Human: 85 Hurthling: 105 The rest are way more long-lived. |
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sad the archer Unregistered user |
why are you so fond of melee ? it's so wonderful to hit corrupting creatures with missiles ! i found a hurtling archer so great. but i am worry about expiriens gain... what race and race/class are better in exp. gain ?? |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3606 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
gnome druids born in the month of the Book. I think they get a lot of xp. I made a gnome druid in the month of Book, picked the get 2% more xp and +1 to LE, and he needed 133 xp to advance to lv 2(he had only 16 LE). Then i made a gnome wizard in the month of Raven, picked good learner and great learner + +1LE, and he needed only 111xp. Then I made a gnome farmer in the month of book with good, great learner and Learned and he needed 112xp! that was a surprise. anyway, just check andy's guide, I'm sure you'll find everything you need...I remember seeing an experience chart or sumthing... For the Horde! |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3123 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
I just made a random gnomish druid (candle birthsing), he has Le:16, and needs 119 xp to advance. It'a a gnome thing, that's why gnomish beastfighters are so good. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 9/23/2005 at 14:33 (GMT -5) by Maelstrom] |