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BcotN Registered user SoaD junkie Last page view: 6718 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
People in the 'Great treasures are buried...' thread have talked about the Cow axe. Can someone please inform me on what the Cow axe is? You die... |
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 Armada Registered user Last page view: 1436 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
Axe of the minotaur emperor. Found at the bottom of the Minotaur maze. Weighs about 1200 stones, lots of damage, lots of critical hits with the thing. True pain getting it though. |
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BcotN Registered user SoaD junkie Last page view: 6718 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
I know what the AotME is! lol. I just didn't know that cow axe = AotME. Makes sense. You die... |
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*Chaos Muffin* Registered user Chaotic Awesome Last page view: 6335 days, 10 hours, 13 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
assassins with RotMC, bracers of war and cow axe kick ass *<< Words go here >>* |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 6038 days, 1 hour, 52 minutes and 34 seconds ago. |
Never using it if I'm not a troll or a farmer, cuz 1200 stone is best to sacrifice, like Big Punch. (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3966 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
My spellcasters get the axe easily. Required: 1. Magic mapping via scrolls or spell. 2. Confusion resistance. 3. High level Bolt spell, Improved Fireball or a normal Ball spell and high enough Willpower to cast it at an increased radius. 4. Speed of 105 or better. The strategy is simple: Magic-map the level; go down until you hit the bottom. If it's a false bottom, go back up and mark the stairs with a rock or piece of gold. Keep going back up until you get to another double down staircase. Rinse and repeat until you hit the Emperor's level (there's a special message). To deal with tough monsters, use the bolt, imp. Fireball, or the ball spell and hit-and-run tactics. The Emperor falls the same way. An extra artifact is always useful. Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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Nchurmdaz Registered user Goblin flash mobber Last page view: 6198 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
I would argure about extra artifact.. Guaranteed artifacts are not always worth 3 levels and fading possibility to get something really worthwhile. Like Robes of Resistance or Grod :) Ubi patria ibi bene! |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3966 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
Well, like I said, my spellcasters can do it easily; so why not do it? I wouldn't attempt it with a melee character, though; the lack of magic mapping would just make it too tedious. I will accede the point that there are things that are *more* useful than extra artifacts, though. Die Gedanken sind Frei [Edited 1 time, last edit on 10/31/2005 at 16:48 (GMT -5) by Iridia] |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours and 23 seconds ago. |
in your mind, which is better, moloch armor(15000s) or the AotME(1200s)? It seems that the cow axe is very useful for battle against molochs scoring a max damage at *0* exp in axes of 76. While moloch armor grants near invicibillity to almost anyone but titans, molochs, greater molochs, and balors. The cow axe is also *much* lighter than the moloch armor. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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Nchurmdaz Registered user Goblin flash mobber Last page view: 6198 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
You compare imcomparable things. It's just like to ask: what's better - a car or a house? Ubi patria ibi bene! |
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tongHoAnh Registered user adoomed Last page view: 6837 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes and 1 second ago. |
I pick the car. Which one does it resemble? Just joking :D By the time you get the amour the weight penalty is nothing. But it hurt going for the axe for any 30- My RL dumpyard: http://www.geocities.com/ceruleannebula/index.html |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours and 23 seconds ago. |
rephrasing the question, which is better to-damage or PV? The cow axe deals damage sigificant for molochs (one hit with a high axe skill?). And the moloch armor takes a molochs hit down alot(10-30hp vs around 100hp?). Forget about the weight then. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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*Chaos Muffin* Registered user Chaotic Awesome Last page view: 6335 days, 10 hours, 13 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
well the moloch armour grants immunity to fire at least, and reduces dex and speed, so youll get more exp and be able to train dex a bit more, so thats a bonus, as for damage, you can find massive damage weapons everywhere, aswell as slaying ammo, so on a practical side i'd say the moloch armour, but for style, id say moloch armour *and* the cow axe. *<< Words go here >>* |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours and 23 seconds ago. |
Ahem, what "massive damage weapons"? Garanteed? "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 17 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
There is no such thing as "guaranteed" when it comes to ADOM, really. If you only count the really utterly "guaranteed" weapons, yeah, the cow axe beats Moon Sickle and Big Punch. Many eternium weapons (which are not that hard to come by on higher levels - check Darkforge), like the eternium halberd (4d7+11, luck added in) or the eternium two-handed sword (6d5+21, tops) can compete with the cow axe in raw damage. And don't forget that they can have prefixes and suffixes. A murderous eternium two-handed sword of devastation totally OWNS the cow axe. :) (Of course, nobody has that much luck...) They can also be improved by smithing - Another plus. I know these are *not* guaranteed to get. Your chances to find a decent eternium weapon are overall higher than surviving the tedious trip during the minotaur maze as a melee character, though, at least if you ask me. And as far as molochs goes... A single phase dagger is probably more useful than brute to-damage weapons - And you can use two of them at once. If you do melee the moloch, that is. *I* always used penetrating or demon slaying ammo and went well with it. And since *nobody* can take down a greater moloch in one hit (except *maybe* the raging berserking barbarians with maxed Tactics skill wearing two rings of slaying and gloves of smiting and having a Strength of 99 as well as Grand Mastery with their murderous eternium two-handeded sword of penetration using their mighty blow class skill - and it would still have to be a low experience greater moloch), PV is fairly important - DV maybe even more, though. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Nchurmdaz Registered user Goblin flash mobber Last page view: 6198 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
Q: A murderous eternium two-handed sword of devastation totally OWNS the cow axe. :) I once had an 'Eternium two-handed sword of penetration'. :-P Ubi patria ibi bene! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 17 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
I once had an adamantium halberd of penetration. Not too shabby either. :) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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*Chaos Muffin* Registered user Chaotic Awesome Last page view: 6335 days, 10 hours, 13 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
I found a lawfull eternium halbard of devastation as a level one assassin in the smc, yay! *<< Words go here >>* |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 17 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
Be careful - The RNG will put a five-squares river right in your way out through the UD ;) If you don't have swimming, that is. If you do, it will put a mimic somewhere, and you won't see it. Either way, you won't survive having THAT shitload of luck. The Almighty RNG dost not permit it. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours and 23 seconds ago. |
I never descend through the UD at the beginning of the game anymore. I *do* visit the SMC to find the staircase and the blanket after defeating Kranach at the beginning of the game, but I wait until I have done the dwarven graveyard and the pyramid before going to that dangerous place. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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Nchurmdaz Registered user Goblin flash mobber Last page view: 6198 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
Why? It's not that dangerous. Just time-consuming. BTW, It allows for a kind of shrtcut to CoC - you won't need to cross the river or go around by the swamps. Plus, HMV has a shop. Ubi patria ibi bene! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 17 minutes and 5 seconds ago. |
Depends. If descending through the UD is the very *first* thing a PC does, it is not a shortcut, since he has to return to the right part of the map to get Healing or Herbalism or whatever. (That's another story for characters that don't need to do the Terinyo quests for whatever reason - they can just come back and do them when they intend to the dwarven graveyard anyway.) I still do it, at least with those characters that are fairly tough in the early game. Fighters, archers and such. The reason for this is that, compared to other dungeons, the UD is fun. The special dungeon features of this one make playing more exciting, at least for me. This, and the nice equipment - I somehow tend to find higher metal weapons, girdles and caps every time I descend through the UD. It has obvious downsides. Often I drown because I haven't had time to obtain Swimming and a damned river is created. Likewise I often die because of lacking the Healing skill. Starting in the UD means there are two possibilities: Survive with nice stuff in your backpack to help you succeed in the early midgame, or die early, which minimizes the grief. I never kill Kranach nor save the puppy anymore. Kranach never shows up before you are running out of food, and looking for him is plain annoying, and saving the puppy is too much effort and risk for too low gain. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Nchurmdaz Registered user Goblin flash mobber Last page view: 6198 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
You must have had bad luck with Kranach - My first Kranach kill was instant - my char walked into the hills right next to VD, and voila - you are ambushed by a gang of raiders! However, once with one of m mindcrafters I got to 55 xp's before lvl 6 (to kill the bastard with Mind Blast), and then encountered grizzly bear. Simply forgot that it would mean level-up for me.. Bye-bye 3000 gold + law skill. However, I'd reccomend at leas atempting it because it is almost a must to get as much guaranteed skills as possible - just in case you run into a way of getting scrolls of education. It is very annoying to get 'gardening', 'law', 'courage','disarm trap' instead of 'alertness', 'find weakness', 'athletics'... Ubi patria ibi bene! |
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THC842 Registered user Last page view: 4697 days, 5 hours, 10 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Love silfir's breakdown of what "might" one hit kill a GM. The single most amazing character ever... |
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Twinge Registered user Communist in Disguise Last page view: 5405 days, 12 hours, 31 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
Ah, but I bet I could one-hit a GM with any level 1 PC and not extraordinary stats or equipment =) |
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 Maul Registered user [banned user] Last page view: 5139 days, 6 hours and 39 seconds ago. |
One-hit a GM at level 1... You mean, the GM would deal that one hit? :) 1l= Y0(_) [4l\l R34[) 7l-l15, Y0(_) l\/l(_)57 83 PR377Y G00[). |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 34 minutes and 55 seconds ago. |
Twinge, would it be with an extraordinary pet perhaps? Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Twinge Registered user Communist in Disguise Last page view: 5405 days, 12 hours, 31 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
No, no pet. In melee. |
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Fiddler Registered user Last page view: 5399 days, 1 hour, 17 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Aside from coating your weapon in poison and avoiding said GM after successfully landing a hit, I am pretty much baffled by your claim Twinge. Care to enlighten us please? |
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Twinge Registered user Communist in Disguise Last page view: 5405 days, 12 hours, 31 minutes and 44 seconds ago. |
  
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