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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
So I found out some new things while playing with my already lvl 22 hurthling mindcrafter... On his birthday he found a book shop in the High King cave:) And he can't read a book of light with literacy 100 and learning 24. Oh well. Mindcrafting doesn't train Mana stat. I found this to be rather annoying, and rather unfair (can't cast spells and many monsters manage to resist mindcraft). So the only hope of training Mana are potions of wonder and hoping he'll get a spell that's in the shop (or the Library, haven't been there yet). So now I am basically playing him now as a fighter, and finding most use from confusion:) Mindcrafting some creatures corrupts, examples are chaos siblings (obvious), but dark elven princess? I mean, just because she's a dark elf doesn't mean she's corrupted. They are evil by nature:) Well, I just hope it won't be a YASD any time soon. And btw, when was the last time you've lost a character to kicking stairs? Is it really worth training like that? I got St from 5 to 17 with Strained... |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
What exactly do you train if you kick stairs? For the Horde! |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Dark elven priestess corrupts when she shits you, ICYDNK. Wand of wonder are more common that potions. And then you are golden, because there are the 2 ways to recharge wands. I played a Troll mindcrafter (which eventually won) like that, fighter who used confusion. It had to, PP was so low that one or two damage spells would empty it. And concentration helps with reading spellbooks. So you can say "100 literacy, 100 concentratin, 24 learning and I STILL couldn't read a book". If you get learning to like 40 you might be able to read light and darkness... |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
As a hurthling you have Archery, which is extremely handy for mindcrafters, especially in dealing with undead/demons. The mindcraft itself gets quite a bit more powerful with levels. You should already be making decent use of Telekinet Blast. Obviously you'll want to get your Wi as high as possible. One notable thing about mindcraft is there's no "training" for it - you don't have effectivity like spells, so it's fairly powerful from the start but can't be increased to great heights like spells can. Like Molach says, get a wand of wonder and keep recharging and zapping the hell out of it. With book-casting you'll be able to train your Mana stat a lot higher (which of course means more PP). Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Thx for the Wands of Wonder tip, I thought it only makes you cast spell, but it also gives small amount of knowledge as well. I am aware of Archery and am making good use of it, concetration was the first skill that was maxed. But...I drank from a pool and got intrisic invisibility. Not a big problem (except pickpocketing nonhostiles draws me towards chaotic), but...shopkeepers. I am not in the shop, but after looking at me for a few turns, they go mad and attack me. How to get past this? Other than drinking from pools, and potions of visibility aren't an option... |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
They shouldn't attack you for that. Are you sure you don't have the unholy aura corruption? That would cause them to attack you (they say something along the lines of "Stop scaring away my customers!") Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 4109 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
Or you could have some armor 'of hate' equipped, which causes the same reaction as the unholy aura corruption "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/28/2007 at 15:55 (GMT -5) by Morio] |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
It seems it was just me being paranoid...and I've found a pool, got a wish:) and after a few more drinks, my outfit looked much cleaner. So I lost invisibility, I still have RoI and a cloak as well. Wished for...eternium tower shields. even though he's nearing lvl 25, his shield was never better than +5,+1. So well...Wore amulet of order for a while, then went to the graveyard (room full of dwarven chaos knights = lots of pickaxes). First grave and a lich gave me...PoGA and a RoDS. So a spare wish, and I already got 2 7LBs. I could use a penetrating weapon. I've got it! Rings of weakness:) btw digging graves + blessed arrows of undead slaying...nice. I still have dwarven graveyard to dig, and I marked all "great treasure" graves with a bone:) Any better suggestions? I won't play today anymore, so give me advices on how to make a better use of my wish. I saved Khelly already. That's all for now... |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
GoGS, SoCR or rings of weakness. For the Horde! |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 20 hours, 4 minutes and 41 seconds ago. |
"Dark elven priestess corrupts when she shits you, ICYDNK."-Molach I cracked up laughing when I read this....which brought an idea to my mind: if in adom you have to eat due to fatigue, where does that food go that you ate? ^o^ "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
Herb fertilizer :P For the Horde! |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
SoCRs are plenty, 6 + 1 already I've got. Dwarven mystic wasn't so happy to see me and gave me PoGA and PoTraining, but I still have 5+3 guaranteed scrolls from the minstrel and the bug temple, more than enough. GoGS...maybe, but I think I'll go for RoW cause I already have about a dozen Ogre corpses, a stone giant, a fomorian giant etc...and get those +12 to St:D |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
One weapon that makes THE difference when playing mindcrafter...Purifier. Just got it, immediately cleared Darkforge with ease. Killed Kherab too so I am off to some smithing. With an undead, unlife & demon slayer and the ability to confuse and greatly damage all others, it's only bugs and chaos beings I fear now. BTW does anyone know how corrupting is mindcrafting chaos beings? |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
Ogre corpses don't work with RoW. If you aren't already wearing one, wish for an AoLS to wear for some extra life insurance (watch out for dragons and traps though, its iron!). "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/30/2007 at 09:18 (GMT -5) by F50] |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 11 hours, 26 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
>Ogre corpses don't work with RoW. something new... could we get details? A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Strange thing to say, and I must say I've got +3 to St after eating 5 Ogre corpses. So what made you claim otherwise, F50? |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 4109 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
Frim, I hope you're not planning on smithing in DF, because it's highly corrupting (corruption rate equal to D:20-29). "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/30/2007 at 12:12 (GMT -5) by Morio] |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
Ogre corpses are not nearly as good as giving the +1 St as giants are. I'd say around 30% for ogres. But RoW sets your St to 2, and that works just fine regardless of creature eaten. |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
3 hill giants in a row failed to raise my St :( But I've just got my second "excited" level with giants, so I guess St will rise, it's currently 36 (and started with 5) :D I have a forge on CoC:7... |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
1: I have tried it with ogres from the ogre cave while my St was well beyond the regular limit with RoW (in the cave itself and I did not get any increases) and... 2: It was said somewhere else on this forum. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/30/2007 at 22:20 (GMT -5) by F50] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
I've gotten St to 99 using rings of weakness and the "ogre army" encounter in the wilderness. It works best if the ring is cursed to bring your St down to 2. Also helps if you patrol the mountain section of the wilderness since you can encounter stone giants there too. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
RoW is autocursing so...it's always cursed once you put it on. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
Well, sometimes people will bless or uncurse it straight after wearing it so the St isn't as low. You might also be tempted to wear St boosting items to allow you to carry more, but this makes certain corpses almost never give an increase. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Actually, I drop all items, put on RoW, eat both stomaceptia and corpses off the ground, and when I'm done, I pick it all up. No worries... |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 11 hours, 26 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
except for forgetting pick up stuff. happened to me once. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Silfir Unregistered user |
The one time I did the RoW thing, I just stored most of my stuff in a safe location, left with very low-weighing, but superior equipment, enough to kill the opponents quite safely. Alternatively, just use spells. Being strained requires more food, and lessens your need of stomacemptia somewhat. Ogre armies, stone giant patrols and hill giant war parties work nicely. I'd patrol the hills, since you can also get hill orc encounters there, and their corpses train toughness, which means your useful corpses per encounter possibilies rate is higher (or so it seems to me). Switching is good because after some time, the monsters you use to kill for corpses gain more experience. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
Next time I log in before I post. Obviously, spells should be used by those who need to train them anyway. To avoid the increase in experience you could use a pet, but that nullifies your Food Preservation and -foo- of hunting bonuses. Ring of Weakness scumming is always horribly time-consuming in my eyes... You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Well, after finding a "truly excited" level filled with giants, my St is 75, and it feels like cheating. I don't think I'll do it anymore, it's now almost too easy... Not to mention that Executor was in the vault. Purifier + Executor = I don't think there's much that can stop me now...just beware of doppelganger kings and I ought to finish this one quite easily. First kill was a giant rat, so diving do ID:114 might prove to be a real challenge. I think I'm gonna kill the greater black unicorn this time... |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
If you want your challenge back, drink PoEx until your Appearance is 75 and the rest lousy ;) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Frim Registered user playing since gamma 12 Last page view: 6380 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
I'll finish with this one and I don't think I'll be using RoW again... As it seems, he won't need mindcraft at all:) Though, 8 blasts did kill cat lord so...useful, very useful!:) |
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