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Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 at 13:16 (GMT -5)

2. not quite sure about this, but don't you get more than five increases with Le: 22-24...? and i'm almost sure that while my skill increase rate was 9/level, my Le was below 40, and as i got it to 41 or so my skills started to improve at a rate of 10 increases/level. so the rules above are not 100% proper, or i'm not sane at all;)
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sharad
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Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 01:04 (GMT -5)

1. What category(if any) do grues fall into? As in, dragons/demons/undead etc?

2. I've encountered a greater undead vault, with lich kings/emperors guarding Bracers of War :(
Plz help me on this, how do i clear it? I'm a lvl 33 human wiz.

2. I need some help on the earth temple. How do i get rid of all the annoying earth grues and elementals?
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Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 03:58 (GMT -5)

1. None.
2. Use destroy undead, if you don't have it, use your strongest spell (not ice)
2. Just hack at them. (I suppose it would be a good idea if you could score criticals with a pickaxe :-)) )
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Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 05:10 (GMT -5)

Sharad: Question 2.
You probably have fireball, which can work. Sadly this will destroy a lot of eq, but never mind that. BoW will not be (how do you know its Bow there eh)
Invisibility is a great help. Wear a shield and be a coward. Get a decent fireball-spell-effectivity. And above all, get good willpower. Your willpower should be 25-26-27 now, you probably have access to the water orb. Hopefully you have an amulet of perseverance and/or the sword of Nonnak. Rememeber the infamous film:
"Triumf des Willens"
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Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 10:33 (GMT -5)

My usual strategy in the earth temple (unless playing a very buff char) is to lead out the elementals and grues a few at a time to another level, and kill them there, this takes som time irl but not too much in gametime
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Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 20:25 (GMT -5)

Have high Wi, in "coward", and get surrounded. Use Ice Ball. Best if with 3+ square radius.
I might be wrong, but it doesn't destroy books and scrolls very fast, and is very tolerable towards other stuff.

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It's for stone beasties, you know.

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Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 01:32 (GMT -5)

Molach: "(how do you know its Bow there eh) "

How do you NOT? First thing you do when you come to a greater vault is zap a wand of monster detection to see the type. If its a greater undead, you zap a wand of item detection to see if its worth the trouble. Artifacts are generated on the floor.

There is only one artifact bracer.

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Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 01:49 (GMT -5)

Sharad, if you want directions on how to clear vaults and certain temples, you should ask in the spoiler thread, not here.

For safety's sake



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Nchurmadaz, the problem with using ice ball is the fact that greater undead are immune to ice.

The lesser undead that will actually be affected by the spell is not of any major concern anyway.

Wizards should have a pretty high Wi. 48+ Wi and Fireball/Imp Fireball actually makes wizards have the easiest time in a greater undead vault. If you don't have the Wi, go to the casino. Find the 24 $ machine, a heavy object on your spacebar, and make massive amounts of money. Pay it all to Garth for Wi. Wait. When you have 38 or more Wi, grab the Air Orb. If you dont like to use casino money, scum for PoGAs.

Make sure you have DRay resistance, and conf resistance is nice to have as well. Imp Fireball and Fireball your way through.. teleport out if youre surrounded and need mana. ALWAYS leave enough mana for an emergency tele.

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thedrin
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Posted on Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 15:25 (GMT -5)

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1) Wands of door creation for containment. Make sure you're able to lock and unlock them at will.

2)Wait until level 36 or so. At this stage there is a guaranteed undead slayer.

3)Wear an invisibility cloak or use something that gives permanent invisibility. A potion won't cut it since it takes a long time to clear a greater undead vault. Liches will be able to see you but the vast majority of their summonings won't be able to.
sharadzegr81
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Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 at 12:41 (GMT -5)

I've managed to clear most of the undead vault now, as well as get the Earth orb. Thanx for the help!
Now, all that remains in the undead vault is the centre room, with the lich kings and such. My major problem is that the lich kings manage to drain my stats and keep confusing me. How do I counter that??
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Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 at 17:33 (GMT -5)

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Confusion is best negated by Helm/Rings of mental stability, A ring of the clear mind, and a few artifacts that grant confusion resistance. Refer to the guidebook.

A high Willpower score also helps a lot to resist confusion. The outside of the vault is the cakewalk, its really the emperor liches and lich kings inside that cause the trouble. Stat drains is really unavoidable, just try to fight them from a distance. With a bit of range on your ball spell, it might be possible to kill them from afar.

As i said before, improved fireball is ideal for this type of situation.
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Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 at 17:34 (GMT -5)

Oh, and confusion resistance doesn't stack, in case you took my meaning above to wear as many of those things as possible. Just one will do.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 03:41 (GMT -5)

vs. Confusion: And it pays to be born in the month with "harder to trick by deceptions".
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Morio
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 09:14 (GMT -5)

I thought the "harder to trick by deceptions" only helped against confusion from dopplegangers
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Maelstrom
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 10:30 (GMT -5)

Battle Bunny, not to be rude or anything, BUT:
"And have you people actually TRIED THAT OUT, or just want to be clever? (...) Yet another man who didn't read the GB" :P

Raven starsign only works against deceptions - and only Doppelgangers use those to confuse, other monsters use spells. Ravens generate a special mesage when faced with doppelgangers, something along the lines of "you look through the ruse"
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An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel.
A realist sees a train.
And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 11:02 (GMT -5)

I meant that for them, did I say a word I was talking about puny liches?
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Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2005 at 09:02 (GMT -5)

about the undead vault: if you know the fireball, have big Wi and are able to detect monsters, check if the emperor lich/lich kings is standing next to a vault wall. if yes, stay still near the same wall and repeat fireballing until the major liches are dead. this can take time as liches may move away, but luckily they aren't able to teleport and cannot harm you if you stay outta their range of sight (if i'm not wrong:).

btw ot :) maelstrom - fajnie spotkac polaka na forum. do obejrzenia twojego profilu sklonila mnie twoja wypowiedz: "Or, should I say, it won't kill you if you're from middle-east Europe ;)
Believe me, the bums here rarely get fataly poisoned by methanol ("Hey it's cheap booze! Who cares where it comes from!")", hehehe.
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