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Narcolepcy Registered user Last page view: 5017 days, 6 hours, 12 minutes and 16 seconds ago. |
You fail training checks over time, so 10k isnt the same as 20k. Stop arguing semantics, end topic, only further thing I could post is the exact training formula and thatd just piss people off. |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Well ok thank you all now it's quite clear: - Garth training can fail just because there's a random chance it fails. - The random chance that a garth training fails can be lowered by paying more than prices in the guidebook. - Many game events can interfere with a garth training and make it fail, some special rooms, some eating related to the stat trained, some items wearing, overburden state, and so on. - You can lower the risk of this happen by training close to a level up because a level up will involve a stat check. But that's not necessary a good idea to only train in this case. - After 1000 turns and probably bellow if the stat didn't increase then it's probably because the training failed for some reasons. For my case and current char, stats training close to 25 worked like a charm with herbs and sickness (or not) but I lost many gold in Garth training and failed for ST and LE. Since my first post here I finished herbs training and didn't get anything from garth. Garth training before for lower stats worked much better. Now I have very few gold and will make garth training later. I'll definitely attempt doubling the price suggested in the guidebook. I'll also try some before my next level up. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/21/2008 at 16:46 (GMT -5) by Doalag] |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Discouraging, still no success for training ST. I almost paid double the price for the current ST level with sickness. In fact before I also tried 150%. I didn't eat any ogres or special corpse. I just eat some kobolds/herbs to be sure to stay sick. Current ST is only 20 with sick, base value is 28 and potential value 30. Is there something I didn't understand? Should I have trained for 29 instead of 21? I understood current value as the current total value but I realized the ingame table show Cur for what I name base value. EDIT: Is there any time limit for training with garth? Subsidiary question is there any torture command? I'd like apply some at this point. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/22/2008 at 12:38 (GMT -5) by Doalag] |
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Timpen Registered user za za zaa za zaa Last page view: 5982 days, 6 hours, 41 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
You can torture yourself by 'u'seing a whip in the tool slot. It even gives a lawful boost :-) Si vis pacem, para bellum |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Nope you didn't catch the trick, the game tortures me enough I don't need more but something onto apply the same tactic, it's a point of balance. :-) If someone could answer the serious question I'd prefer! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/22/2008 at 13:12 (GMT -5) by Doalag] |
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Timpen Registered user za za zaa za zaa Last page view: 5982 days, 6 hours, 41 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
What do you mean by time limit? Time passed before the stats should have increased? I think that is 1000 turns or something around that, usually I hold 5 and then after like 30-40 seconds I get + in skills then 30-40 seconds more my stats go up. Edit: Noticed you already know about the 1000 turns thing :P Edit2: If your main question about which stat level adom uses its the stat that shows atm after sickness or w/e you are effected by. How would st training work with ring of weakness otherwise? Si vis pacem, para bellum [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/22/2008 at 14:27 (GMT -5) by Timpen] |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Time limit : For example, after 2 years of game time, garth is too old to train anymore. For natural training like for ST, carry too heavy load, I know it's the current value, for Herbs I noticed it too. For garth training I was wondering. |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 5108 days, 7 hours, 19 minutes and 36 seconds ago. |
> Discouraging, still no success for training ST. > I almost paid double the price for the current > ST level with sickness Paying more does increase the chance of a stat raise, but to guarantee a stat raise, you must pay a very large amount. The exact amount has been discovered, but it was through code diving, so I don't really want to post it. The gold that you paid, would have given a respectable chance to increase the stat. It sounds like the RNG just gave some bad luck this time. > Should I have trained for 29 instead of 21? Paying more wouldn't hurt, of course, but the idea of using the sickness exploit, is to lower the training cost. I am wondering, do you know your PC's status, as far as 'cursed', 'doomed', 'lucky', and 'fate smiles' intrinsics. Perhaps they also have an effect. If Garth training isn't working out, for your ST stat, there are other ways. I consider starvation to be more useful than sickness, when ST training. To use starvation, you will need some corpses from ogres, ettins, or hill giants. You can starve before each one, or sell the corpses to a shop, and then 'starve train' all at one time. The third dwarf quest opens the ogre cave in dwarftown, and that place is full of good corpses. If your PC does not have the Food Preservation skill, they may rot on you, before you can use them. I would reccomend selling them to the local shop, as they are generated. Corpses will not rot, once the shop owns them (for some reason?!), so you can starve, buy, eat, and repeat. Do keep an eye on your stats as they decrease, when starving your PC. They will steadily decrease by one point for every ~two game turns. When they stop dropping, every ~two game turns, that means you are getting close to staving to death. Once your ST is below 17, you can eat a corpse, for a good chance to raise ST. > Is there any time limit for training with garth? I have never heard of any. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Narcolepcy Registered user Last page view: 5017 days, 6 hours, 12 minutes and 16 seconds ago. |
To max stat chances @20 is 22000, @28 is 1022501, just to give you an idea. Intrinsics have no effect on training. |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Gut : I paid 14000 and then 18000 to get ST from 20 to 21, no success. Not to mention previous attempts for this same training. No more doom or curse but luck and smile fate. Thanks for the detailed hint for the ogres cave I think I'll try it even if it's not that easy. About this I thought I could bring some blessed water to bless corpse picked to preserve them longer. Narcolepcy : Thanks, I wasn't far for the ST in my last try and finally I paid much much more for nothing. Those numbers are quite more than the double of those in the guidebook. |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
I got only 3 corpses from the ogre cave, ha well I cannot complain I also got quickly 2 other from the large area above the dwarf town. All five are safe in the shop that was quite close. I also level up without to attempt a training just before! Ha well I hadn't the 22k |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Lol I had in fact 4 ogre corpse (only 2 from ogre cave) got ST to 16 4 times, eat each time an ogre corpse, nothing! @&!$% this game, all this time and effort lost for nothing! EDIT : Ok bored to be .... where are those black dragons again? :-D [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/23/2008 at 07:57 (GMT -5) by Doalag] |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 31 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
Swamps, you need to be lvl 15 and over (I think it was lvl 15, maybe more - you encounter air elementals and dorn beasts in the plains, wild boars and fomorians in the woods, red dragons in the mountains.) A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Ok thanks is there anything that can be tamed in that? The wild boars? :-) I attempted one more time with few more ogres (5) push starvation a little further, more ST 14 first then ST 15 and got the +2 to ST which is now at its maximum potential. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 2 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Wild boars can be tamed. They're probably the best pets other than the residents of the bug temple - they're fast and hit damn hard. Can actually be troublesome for an early character to deal with. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Ouaa dam cool, the last new pets I found up to now are the cave bears that I started find plenty at level 10 (or perhaps a bit before) and many in wilderness mountains. In fact after a series of lightning lizards in some UD levels I haven't see them anymore yet. I don't think my character is early anymore, it is more middle now. |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 5167 days, 12 hours, 33 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
Can we get a screen shot Doalag? I reckon we are all pretty curious about your stats - not many people have chosen your path - there is Trinity at one extreme, and a fair few L50 bards who just seemed to use pets to kill cats at the other (Like Darren's Tarindil), but few seem to have tried to level up both their pets and themselves... |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
Yes I can make a screenshot and I will but what's special are the pets, how can you imagine I have something special, it's just a standard char with too much stuff because of pets training. Take care that it's a scumming game, I only try fake a standard game by long play session. For cats, yes pets makes it easy... except that I recently stupidly failed it in the arena, damit I got a poor lion killed before I realize. I should have tamed it and then summon something and help this something with healing or something, damit! :-D For pets it's just a wrong game option I find fun to play, it's not level up pets it's level up multiple time pets because they die and level up so they are at least double your level. Doable at beginning but after... Anyway I'll post the screenshot in another thread but you won't have in it pets detail. |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 5167 days, 12 hours, 33 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
Well you know, once you have won with your scummed character (enjoy those SoFS moments) you can start trying to do it again without scumming - thats where the fun will really begin :). As for your PC - as suspected, looks in pretty good shape for a level 12 priest - gotta love the spell list. How on earth can you wander around without that battle axe of devastation? I know you aren't wanting to kill too many monsters, but dude, thats a nice axe. |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
SoFS moments? scroll of familiar summoning moments? What you mean? I didn't get any of those scrolls yet. The eagle axe gives me +5 speed some more protection and better searching. Ok nothing major but yes the point if that I prefer do less damages. Still a stuff I could take for the pyramid or for special places. Yep I should have get it in the arena. |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 5167 days, 12 hours, 33 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
You will find some of those scrolls eventually though, and I think they are the easiest way to get powerful pets on D50. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
The easiest? Didn't you mean to say "the only one besides wishing for friends"? :) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/26/2008 at 06:37 (GMT -5) by Silfir] |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 5167 days, 12 hours, 33 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
No figurines of wondrous power here? Plus as a priest he ought to be able to summon monsters, although not necessarily very powerful ones |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
I still have to see those mythic figurines of wondrous power. :-) A Priest summon monster? How? And tamed? |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes and 50 seconds ago. |
No, not tamed. You'd have to use music to tame the summoned monsters, and monsters you can tame are always animals, and all animals except killer bugs are weak (and even a killer bug, if untrained, might not survive on D:50 for long). I totally forgot about the figurines, because they are so retardedly rare - ESPECIALLY the ones with powerful monsters. Which doesn't make my statement less false. I'm very sorry! You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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