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N(MBLNG) Registered user Formerly known as NMBLNG Last page view: 6891 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
I tried to post this once, but it didn't show up...so if there's 2 threads just ignore one. It's well known that casting spells trains mana. But which makes it go faster? Casting from memory or a book? Casting big spells or little spells? |
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Alex Registered user Master Necromancer Last page view: 6517 days, 17 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
I think it's regaining PP that does it. So any way that reduces your current PP and allows you to get it back would train Mana. What do you wish for? wands of cat repellent_ |
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N(MBLNG) Registered user Formerly known as NMBLNG Last page view: 6891 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
No, because Mindcraft doesn't train Mana. |
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 d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6819 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
(a good question suddenly appears). i'm currently playing a mindcrafter and my Ma is stuck at 16. besides kobold shamans, the mana orb, and obviously spellcasting/necromancy, is there a way to improve mana? and can a mindcrafter learn a spell from a book, or are PoW the only way (i haven't played this class a lot, never managed to teach any spells to a mindcrafter)? What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5150 days, 11 hours, 32 minutes and 20 seconds ago. |
a. Potion of Mana (duh) b. I sure Wonder what you should do to learn spells as a mindcrafter... Edit: Oh I see now what you wrote. Yeah if you Wonder about it first, mabye you can look it up and read about it later... It's not impossible even without Wondering first, if youre smart enough [Edited 1 time, last edit on 6/10/2005 at 08:31 (GMT -5) by Molach] |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6819 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
oh well. i have five pogas (and i'll probably find more soon) stuffed into my pack, so after dwarftown my Le should be at least 25-30. then i'll try with some sort of light-affecting spell:). What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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N(MBLNG) Registered user Formerly known as NMBLNG Last page view: 6891 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
It's nearly impossible to learn spells from books as a Mindcrafter. The best way I know is to use wands or ! of wonder and hope you get a corresponding book to book cast from and train. |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6819 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
hope i will reach the proper Le value. and correct me if i'm wrong;), wands of wonder don't cause you to learn/improve knowledge in a spell, they cast something random instead. is the difference between learning a new spell and adding charges to an already known one that big? i didn't notice it. What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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N(MBLNG) Registered user Formerly known as NMBLNG Last page view: 6891 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Wands of wonder don't give you enough knowledge to be effective, they're better for picking up random spells. |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6819 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
but wands of wonder cause you to CAST a random spell immediately, not learn it. they DON'T give spell knowledge at all. am i wrong? What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3126 days, 1 hour, 7 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
Yes, you're wrong. "The wand forces you to cast a spell", and you still know how to cast that spell afterwards. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6819 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
ah, so it's not useless...;) tx. What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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N(MBLNG) Registered user Formerly known as NMBLNG Last page view: 6891 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Wands 'o Wonder just don't give you very much spell knowledge. |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6819 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
yeah, potions don't give much more. what do i really care for is what molach suggested - gain some (any) knowledge from a potion/wand, then it'd probably be somewhat more likely to read a proper spellbook so that i may increase my Ma through spellcasting. btw, i think that the best way to improve your Ma up to about 30 (this works well if the stat is low, otherwise it's not worth the PoEx you'll have to spend:)) is to train your Dx, To and Wi with herbs (increasing the training's effectivity via sickness abuse;), then drink a (cursed) PoEx. this is somewhat risky - you should keep some emergency potions of exchange. you can apply this method to any stat (but for Mana it's more worthy, since you can't simply train it with garth). What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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tongHoAnh Registered user adoomed Last page view: 6635 days, 20 hours, 23 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
IIRC, WoWo force you to cast a spell for free even when you have 0 PP and there's always a chance to case Wish with it. Try casting it onto yourself when you are critical, hoping for a Heal ;) My RL dumpyard: http://www.geocities.com/ceruleannebula/index.html |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6819 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes and 46 seconds ago. |
hrrmph, what if you get a mmissile instead?;) What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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N(MBLNG) Registered user Formerly known as NMBLNG Last page view: 6891 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Then don't cast it at the wall. |
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i was talking about casting WoWo effects at yourself. i once cast magic missile at the '5' direction accidentally, and got a "You are hit by a magic missile!" message or something similar. didn't check at my hp, but it probably deals you some damage when you blast yourself with a bolt this way;). |
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d666 Registered user zombie Last page view: 6819 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes and 47 seconds ago. |
that was me:) What do you wish for? *THUMBS* EM_ Silence. Silence. .... *THUMB* *THUMB* *THUMB* You die... |
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tongHoAnh Registered user adoomed Last page view: 6635 days, 20 hours, 23 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
I was just joking. The chance you casting some thing harmful ise VERY high, considering the ratio of offensive spells in ADOM so just zap it at the monsters (hoping for a working Death Ray :) P.S. Undead are suffered most from WoWo since there's no undead healing spells My RL dumpyard: http://www.geocities.com/ceruleannebula/index.html |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5150 days, 11 hours, 32 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Back to the zap first then read about it...(d666) This is really not too hard to do. As those drunkards here might know, booze can help with certain magic items... and booze is quite easy to get. Even if the pietistic here like to trade it away for ....something else... if you don't you could get a lot of zapping done. Wondering stuff isn't that rare either. (Writing in clues because this is ADOM forum, not spoiling forum) P.S I imagine that cursed booze is equivalent to Tequila or Cachaca or Siamese "whiskey"... Blessed booze being of course single malt whisky, cognac or calvados... [Edited 1 time, last edit on 6/15/2005 at 07:32 (GMT -5) by Molach] |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3126 days, 1 hour, 7 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
About the P.S. - cursed booze is pure orcish spirit (it's a 70-90% pure ethanol mixed with methanol leftovers I think, since it makes you blind) , and blessed booze it elvish wine. It seems (by the percentage of alcohol), that wheskey would be a "mildly cursed" booze or "not-so-uncursed" booze ;P A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 6/15/2005 at 11:50 (GMT -5) by Maelstrom] |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5150 days, 11 hours, 32 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
Right. I was thinking about RL booze heh. Did everyone know that all alchohol produced by fermentation has methanol in it? (That would mean any alchohol drunk, unless you know a chemist or doctor with access to Pure ethanol produced by hydrolysis of ethane) Enough to cause serious harm too...had it not been for the fact that the larger quantity of ethanol negates its effects completely. I.e if you could somehow take the pure methanol out of a bottle of whisky and drink it, it would kill you... |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3126 days, 1 hour, 7 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
No, it would not kill you. Or, should I say, it won't kill you if you're from middle-east Europe ;) Believe me, the bums here rarely get fataly poisoned by methanol ("Hey it's cheap booze! Who cares where it comes from!"), usually it's just a bit of eye damage and more liver burden. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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LordFrederick Registered user Last page view: 6823 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
I work in a laboratory (here at work right now, waiting on a reaction to go to completion) and i have access to pure 200 proof ethanol. Its really mostly used to sterilze equipment and working space. I don't think drinking it would be too good =P I'm not drinking age yet (stupid americans) so its not like i have easy access to actual alcohol (unless its a frat party). Of course a few older acquaintances can obtain some for you, easily, but theres always the middleman's price markup =( |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3907 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
LordFrederick, there is no such thing as pure ethanol, I think the highest you can get is about 99,5% "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3126 days, 1 hour, 7 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Acctually, if LordFredrick works in a laboratory, then he has access to 99,99998% ethanol (that's industrial alcohol). If that's a school lab, or some other low-importance, then most likely it will be 99,9%. That REALLY burns your throat, it's not wise to use that unless you've got some water nearby. I've had access to industrial quality ethanol, and believe me, drinks with that give a killer hangover. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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N(MBLNG) Registered user Formerly known as NMBLNG Last page view: 6891 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
Ok, back on the subject of Mana, does anyone know if book-casting trains mana better than memory-casting? I know book-casting also trains literacy, which also probably triains learning. |
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LordFrederick Registered user Last page view: 6823 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Its industrial, and i dont think people tend to be stupid enough to drink it. The purity is >99.9%, though im not sure how many digits it goes to. Methanol is classified as fatal here. I don't know what kind of consitution the bums in europe possess in order to survive it. I'm pretty sure book casting does not train your mana any better than memory casting. I just base it on general experience on rotating between bookcasting wizards and memory casting wizards. It could be my imagination, but bookcasting seems to be far slower than memory casting o_O. (Most likely my imagination. Sometimes i don't pay much attention to a stat increase message, and sometimes i just don't pay attention to anything period.) I think reading a spellbook trains literacy and learning harder than bookcasting a spell, making bookcasting not too advantageous in terms of training literacy and learning. Again, i don't know quantitations to this and is only my own general estimations. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 6/15/2005 at 18:00 (GMT -5) by LordFrederick] |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5150 days, 11 hours, 32 minutes and 21 seconds ago. |
I've never used book-casting much. Is it sure it trains literacy & learning? Does the book get lost? If book does not fade away it AND it train both then its a possible source of unlimited trainings, true. "Methanol is classified as fatal here. I don't know what kind of consitution the bums in europe possess in order to survive it." -they probably ate some spiders to be able to resist the poison My point was that if you could isolate the methanol from a bottle of whisky and drink it in pure form, it would kill you. Ethanol is a very good antidote against methanol, so one can drink a fatal dose of methanol and not even feel it. Which is why some people add too much cheap methanol to illegal booze (making cursed booze) and then it will start killing people. There are ways of getting booze 100% (you can't by destillation though, then you only get 96%) If you have access to this, just water it down to 40% or so and its good to use. It should give less hangovers because it contains no harmful by-products from fermentation... |
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