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hamster Registered user Last page view: 6579 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
Hello there! I'm playing ADOM 1.1.1 in the role of a Dwarf Assassin who started out Lawful. I have completed the Carpenter quest and I came across a neutral altar (on level 2) and sacced and was converted to N. I'm currently at xp level 9 and no artifacts have been created (verified this!). My status with Clamgaddin is "You feel very close to Clamgaddin". I want to become extremely close so I can get pre-crowned. But I have made dozens of live creature sacs (mostly Kobolds, Goblins, Ogres) - for the last 2 hours. I am pick-pocketing to get to N- (non extremely alignment) - but that in itself should not stop getting extremely close". 1. I am xp level 9 2. N= (working towards N- by pick pocketing. I'll kill a beggar if it doesn't change when I become "extremely close") 3. no artifacts. I have about 320 gps. I sacced 100 of these. I rarely ever get the chance to pre-crown or crown. Is this meant to be extremely tedious or am I going about it in the wrong way? What more should I do? :) Btw, really enjoying ADOM, played it for last 5 years now (with breaks in between). I tend to pick random characters these days and try my best with no saves. I used to use priests and wizards. My best character (priest) got to the Mana Temple (but that was 2 years ago!) and most characters get to level 10-12 now before there grisly - and all down to silly mistakes (Usually rushing). |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4242 days, 30 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
Yeah, it is just really tedious. One problem is that you're neutral, so you can't sac neutral creatures (which includes a lot of humans and almost all animals) so it takes way longer to get enough sacrifices. Also, piety slowly decreases over time... It might be best if you try to turn chaotic so you can convert the altar and sac lots more things. It takes maybe about 60-70 kills to get your first precrowning, and a further 180 or so to get a second, so keep at it... In terms of gold your 100 pieces was a drop in the ocean - you need way more than that to make a significant difference. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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hamster Registered user Last page view: 6579 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
Thanks - ok, I'll keep at it. Actually I'm having pretty good luck in getting mostly chaotic monsters. I wonder would it be better to go to the ID and hoard some gold and come back to VD and sac about a few 1000gps+ Hmmm... does it matter if time passes while I get gold or doing something else - or do I lose the "momentum" and piety over even a short period of time? I'd hate to have sac another 50 monsters to just get back to where I was say 1 day time in the game. |
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Cristus Registered user The smallest giant alive Last page view: 5979 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
I read once her that all you have to do is : stand next to the altar and press 'W' '5'. Monsters will come to you :-) It works ! Once in a while, I get up/down a staircase to regenerate monsters on that level. With that technique, I usually get (pre)crowned rather easilly. It take some time though, especially for a neutral character, as Darren said. I remember having to stop on 3 ou 4 occasions to go fetch some food as it is quite time consuming. The benefits justify it, of course ! If you are making the (pre)crowning buisness your top priority, you should not worry to much about your piety whinning down. Just start saccing $$ when you think you have enough. It is better to sac it all, I think, at the same time (that is 10000 gp is better than 10 X 100 gp). All your base are belong to us. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4242 days, 30 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
Cristus, 10000 is quite obviously better than 10 x 100! :P W5 obviously makes it a lot quicker in terms of real life time, but does take a little bit longer in game time, which can mean a bit of piety loss (though I guess probably not enough to make a significant difference). hamster, if you want to get gold I'd probably recommend going through UD and selling a lot of the items you find in the HMV. The only problem is going through SMC, but a cloak of invisibility can be very handy there if you have one. Gold counts especially well for dwarves, but you still need tens of thousands to have a big effect on your piety. The total gold needed for a dwarf to get from 0 piety to extremely close is about 50-60k, but obviously you're part of the way there already. You might as well try to overkill in collecting gold (and equipment that you can sell for more gold) before trying for the precrowning - the money can always come in handy later on. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Cristus Registered user The smallest giant alive Last page view: 5979 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
Sorry for my maths skills :-/ I, of course, meant 100 X 100 gp ... So, faster in real life but longer in the game ... I guess the choice is yours ! Personnaly, I never bother with money for (pre)crowning. I'd rather keep it for myself, he, he, he **greedy smile**. Monsters are always enough for me to get crowned. You see, I am the patient type :-) And you Darren, you who seems more of an advance player than I am (never finished the game), what is your preference, gold or monsters ? Finally, I totally agree, the hmv shop gives the best fares, and I don't meen the music store :-D All your base are belong to us. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 3/20/2006 at 15:40 (GMT -5) by Cristus] |
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hamster Registered user Last page view: 6579 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
Great feedback guys, yep I will do some gold hunting and develop my character for awhile and try to avoid creating too many artifacts. :) I have the Great Treasure Hunter Talent which should nudge help towards me a little bit. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4242 days, 30 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
Cristus: I've never properly won the game myself (even though I have saved the world) so I don't consider myself an advanced player. I guess I'm a pretty decent theoretical ADOMer, but very poor in practise... I definitely prefer live sacs personally, and have the stupid patience to spend hours getting them for a few precrownings. Gold is better spent training with Garth... But when you're a dwarf gold does count more towards saccing, so I'm often more tempted to use a little then. The music store has good prices too, but it's not any good for bringing in dead monsters' weapons and armour to sell... Hmm, perhaps there should be a band called Andor Draakon and the ChAOs Brothers? Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Cristus Registered user The smallest giant alive Last page view: 5979 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
Darren : we seem to have some things in common. I like to think I'm a good theorician too. Spoiled as hell, but, hey ! What do you know. I hanged with the wrong people ;-) But you seem to beat me at the stupid patience contest. LOL I never get pre-crowned more than once. And yep! dear Hamster, Treasure Hunter shall be a boon. Off topic : I'm happy today because after my shift, I'm going to my local HMV, the music store kind ;-), to treat myself with a new album (Pierre Lapointe, a local artist; nobody will know). Today is a good day. Just wanted to share :-) "Blood - for - the blood god !" (old orc song) All your base are belong to us. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4071 days, 1 hour, 12 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
And here I was thinking I'm not someone special, what with all the others having won the game and all ;) Okay, only managed it once, and with a high elven archer(EASY AS CRAP), but still. Precrowning is something I've successfully done the first time AFTER having won the game. Yup, you heard me right. Always messed it up before in one way or another. That one time was with the help of an altar in the cavernous PC level. Even a precrowning n00b like me couldn't let this luck go to waste. I even went for a second precrowning, and managed that too. Only got rubbish from those precrowns, though. I prefer not doing it and settle for a normal crowning in the later game. A lawful one, because I'm reeeeally paranoid about corruption. Uh yeah, about that character. He died. C'est la vie. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Some guy Registered user I'm baaaack. Last page view: 5605 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
I don't mean to rub this in, but as someone who has won multiple times, I now generally stick to the same precrowning strategy: I mostly get precrowned once every game, which I do with monsters. It takes a lot of bad luck to not generate any altars before generating the si, so I always have an altar on a dungeon level somewhere. I get myself and an altar to L or C, alignment is flexible early on. I always do the druid's quest, so the black torc is generated, but level 11 (and even 14) is easy to get for most races. If I'm lucky enough to get an altar on the PC cavernous level, or on a level with a beehive, I will probably try for a second precrown. For crowning, I always sacrifice gold. In normal endings, I've gotten the habit of getting crowned lawful in dwarftown. I always play lawful for normal endings, but that's just me. I usually get crowned after doing the pyramid, so that I can wear the mummy wrapping and prevent getting cold immunity (though I ALWAYS forget to put it on). For ultra endings, when I'm ready for crowning, I get crowned with gold whenever and wherever is convenient. The following is a real Adom message: The homunculus hits you. You suddenly fall asleep! Do you want to continue to read the spellbook of Calm Monster? [y/N] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4242 days, 30 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
My tactics are quite the same as yours, Some guy, except that I don't kill Keethrax until later usually (I'll enter the level and leave straight away so that's he's generated but no the torc). I generally try to get to L early on in the game so that the dwarftown altar is generated white, and so that precrowning is easier. Neutral precrownings are such a damned hassle... With regards to getting poor precrownings, almost everything I've had has been good - purifier, bracers of war, protector, preserver, etc. In my most recent game I've gotten Executor, which has turned out to be a real godsend (literally). I generally find the crowning gifts to be really useless... Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Some guy Registered user I'm baaaack. Last page view: 5605 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
My precrowning gifts are almost always useful, bracers of war and similar gifts have often been given to me. But there's exceptions to everything. My last game, a trollish barbarian, was given the staff of the archmagi, which must have splintered the ratling's throat terribly. Two useful artifacts were generated in that game, protector (in the casino) and farslayer (never found it). The following is a real Adom message: The homunculus hits you. You suddenly fall asleep! Do you want to continue to read the spellbook of Calm Monster? [y/N] |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 3900 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
Yeah, precrowning gifts can be some useful stuff, but when you get the black tome after spending ages for a second precrown, you're pretty much ready to kill yourself :D "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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NoHandle Unregistered user |
How many artifacts have to be generated in order to get to the casino? I think it's four(possibly three): the Si, elemental gauntlets and the water and fire orbs. The si is generated in the coc before getting low enough to get to the wall of flames, as is the water orb, and you need the fire orb to pass the wall. You ahve to go the the dwarven graveyard to let thrundarr(is that spelled right) open the portal for you(or is uppose you could teleport him off if oyu had the spell) Any others? If it's just those three, then you oculd get down to the casino, and get a crapload of precrownings by making all your money at the casino then saccing it until you get close enough to your god. get your precrowning, then go back tot he casino and do it again. Naturally, this would take a great amount of tedium, leveling up enough to be able to make it down to the casino but not generating more artifacts. Essentially, you would have to forego many of the quests so that you dont generate artifacts, forego the pyramid (although I suppose you could just stay in the lower levels), make sure not to become champion of the arena, dont take the druid's quest, etc. Do you guys see any flaws in that? |
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NoHandle Unregistered user |
Another thing that works is continually starting a new game until you generate an altar ont he first level of the small cave. They monsters continually get stronger, so you continue to sac them and keep getting more and more exp for it. I'm doing it right now, and im leveling alright, so I'll just see how long it takes to get a crowning. |
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NoHandle Unregistered user |
So far, I'm staying in the small cave, saccing the creatures. Got to level 8, got my first precrowning. w00t! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4071 days, 1 hour, 12 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
You hardly can avoid random artifact generation. Surges of Power, greater vaults... And the Casino itself will most likely contain artifacts. It also means that you'll have to get past the eternal guardian without the Ring of the High Kings, which doesn't matter that much since you wouldn't want to use the shortcut anyway. (Crown of Science) I've made a habit of not precrowning in any of my games. There was one game where I did it twice, and nothing remotely useful came out of it. An altar in the Small Cave, of course, is very useful, but I'm not the scumming type ;) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Molach unplugged Unregistered user |
Since precrowning is basically random artifact generation, if you "accidently" generate an artifact thru Surge or Shop or lesser vault this only means you dont have to bother about one precrown. Which is a good thing! I used to sac gold before, but my latter games I just stick to monsters. Gold is better used for other things. Like buying stats. I usually go for 2 precrowns. First is easy, second is a lot of wasted time, but while I sac monsters I let the SI multiply so I can sell them for cash which is good to have. I also chew/use herb to get stats up which takes a little bit of time. I get second precrown at level 14, but after that Ill have good cashflow, good stats and 2 artifacts (which might both be crap, but usually at least one is a decent weapon) (and sometimes one gets really lucky at which point game is as good as won) Small cave is dangerous, when you stumble upon something un-saccable it might well kill you... And I always get L and use L altar when getting precrowns. Goes a fair bit faster when you can sac everything (except unsaccables) and unlike N altars its easy to avoid the kind of alignment which might give me regular crowning... |
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NoHandle Unregistered user |
Well, I'm using a Dwarven Paladin, so I have pretty good combat for melee. I just stand by the altar, wait for them to come to me, manuver them so they move onto the altar and sac. Since I have good combat skill, and excellent standing with my god, I just turn on berserk mode and hack away, and when i get low on life, I pray to my god, get healed and repeat until I kill of the unsaccable. Then I continue saccing monsters to bring my piety back up. So far, I've made 1 kill outside the small cave, which was my first one, a mugger. The one drawback is that every so often, the SC generates a breeder or a summoner. The bane of my existence is the dark elven priestess generating her non-saccable spiders and werewolves generating all their canines. I got my first pre-crowning at level eight, which I leveled up solely by saccing in the SC. I got the artifact quarrel, so my next precrowning will be at level 11. Then another at 14, then 17, then 20. After 20, I'll call it quits and then start actually playing the quests. Worse case scenario is that I get a few precrownings and I have extra fodder for the demented ratling later, then use other artifacts from the quests and such for saccing to get crowning and such. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4242 days, 30 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
If you're interested in maxing out precrownings you should check out this post that was made to the newsgroup: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.games.roguelike.adom/browse_thread/thread/2357809577981638/ Basically uses the tactics you suggested - getting to level 50 and casino with minimum artifacts generated, and then using gambled gold to obtain the maximum number of precrownings. Elemental gauntlets aren't necessary to generate, but the two orbs are, as well as the si and moon sickle. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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NoHandle Registered user Last page view: 6490 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
As an update, for my second precrowning (level 11), I got the artifact gauntlets Ironfist. I'm still in the Small Cave, going strong. The good thing about this is when I need life, I just pray to my god, then make up for it with all my live saccing. |
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Molach unplugged Unregistered user |
Whoever said this: "My tactics are quite the same as yours, Some guy, except that I don't kill Keethrax until later usually (I'll enter the level and leave straight away so that's he's generated but no the torc)." I didnt know this was possible, to generate him and not Torc. Looks like the newsgroup poster didnt know either. (I checked, and it really is true) |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4242 days, 30 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
The newsgroup poster knew that (Harkila is perhaps the most experienced of all ADOMers) but decided to leave off Keethrax for the purposes of fun. Good luck on the precrownings NoHandle, but you're going to find things get very tough soon, especially with those summoners. If I were you I'd lock up both rooms with the stairs and make sure you have teleportation to hand in case you need to make a fast exit at some stage. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |