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SirMason Registered user Paladin of the Shining Citadel Last page view: 4752 days, 17 hours, 49 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
The ADOM guidebook implies that it's important but doesn't seem to fully explain just what it does...does it fight chickening out? >.< Any explanation here would be great :D You pick up the Wand of Do Nothing. 'z'... Nothing happens. 't'... The Wand of Do Nothing misses the kestral. Come on, it's a Wand of Do Nothing! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4246 days, 22 hours, 18 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
It's actually documented well in the manual. Normally a character gets penalties to hit with missiles and melee when surrounded by several monsters (over 2 monsters for ighter types, over 1 for others). The more monsters the harder it is to fight. Monster also will find it much easier to hit you. Courage skill reduces these penalties, making your character just as good in combat against many as against a few. For wizards it's not so important, and in general you should be trying not to get surrounded, so often people don't consider the skill hugely worth getting if aiming for another quest that depends on your first kill. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Iridia Moderator on this forum YASD Last page view: 3763 days, 7 hours, 2 minutes and 20 seconds ago. |
I generally just kill a bandit. That's a pretty easy monster to get--they generate in holeinthewall--but not too numerous outside that. Die Gedanken sind Frei |
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*Chaos-unreg Unregistered user |
I find the best are Outlaws, Giant Frogs and Assassins. Or a mugger or beggar. Heh, or a Raider Lord |
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 Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 5892 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
I like giant frogs too. They aren't all that frequent in dungeons, but if you wander around the swampy area south of holeinthewall, you'll encounter plenty. So you can avoid them easily, minimizing your kill count, but still kill enough to gain Courage. Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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FUNKtional Key Registered user A Die-Hard Tactician Last page view: 5796 days, 13 hours, 47 minutes and 43 seconds ago. |
speaking of unorthodox first kill tactics, giant ant workers seem 2 do well. in fact, some of the classes posessing healing skill can withstand attacks of the bugs, healing themselves gradually in coward, and then turning back 2 attacking. another nice option is luring farmer, goodwife, or a child out of Terinyo btw, in some of my games i had no outlaws, no muggers and even no beggars in "hole-in-the-wall", so the above tactics came handy All roads lead to chaos, in the end. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/9/2007 at 19:07 (GMT -5) by FUNKtional Key] |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5771 days, 12 hours, 13 minutes and 28 seconds ago. |
I have found that by killing a common monster(kobold, goblin rockthrower, etc.) first, actually helps you when going to kill filk: It forces you to want to go down far, and typically results in some nice benefits, lots a exp, good items, wishes, and lots of PoGA. Just watch out for Doppleganger Kings, my new most hated enemy...Turns out it actually stinks to be amazingly powerful. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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LordMcHash Registered user Last page view: 5917 days, 19 hours, 28 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Kill a beggar. Level 1 of the ID you'll find filk and get courage from a scroll of education. I have ways of guaranteing it. |
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How do you guarantee to get a specific skill from a scroll of edu? Savescumming? |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 23 hours and 20 seconds ago. |
I think he is advocating forgetting about Courage in favour of an easy finding of Filk. I'm not sure what "I have ways of guaranteeing it" is supposed to mean, but if he's talking about savescumming he shouldn't forget that's cheating. And stair-scumming is an exploit at least. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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LordMcHash Registered user Last page view: 5917 days, 19 hours, 28 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
"How do you guarantee to get a specific skill from a scroll of edu? Savescumming?" It's impossible to do anything in ADOM any other way. Seriously, this game is impossible to beat without scumming. Period. You call it cheating I call it saying FU to an impossible to beat game. |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4964 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 54 seconds ago. |
Well I certainly can't imagine anyone winning the game for the first time without 1/savescumming, or 2/ reading the guidebook. Unless you do one or both of those things, I'm guessing completion of your *first* game is close to impossible. Personally, my first win was after reading the good book, nice one mR Williams, but with no savescumming. That was some time ago though, and I am still searching for my third win... ADOM is bloody hard. Thats why we like it so much. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 23 hours and 20 seconds ago. |
The last time I savescummed anything dates back to what, six years ago? I've won nine times since then. It is very much possible. It requires patience and training, and a lot of knowledge you're unlikely to gain without either the guidebook or savescummed games. However, these are only means to an end. You can also get the knowledge required in a lot more frustrating way: Dying and dying over and over. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4606 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes and 24 seconds ago. |
Courage is great for doing lots of circular kicks :P "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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Jules Registered user Last page view: 4778 days, 8 hours, 39 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
When I first found out about the HOF, I didnt believe that it was possible to win without scumming, and thought that all posts must be false. However having posted an ULE and a standard win myself, I know it can be done, although only with a lot of patience, and a bit of luck. I dont ever scum now, I dont even bother to back up my characters in case of a crash unless I'm very close to the end. |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4946 days, 3 hours, 58 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
Heh, learning to play ADOM is like walking on a mountain path at night, having no light source. I learned to play this great game by save-scumming and reading Andy's great guidebook (it is not perfect yet though ;) and having won the game 57 times (IIRC) without cheating nor scumming, I can definitely say that it can be done =] And still I always start yet another game, with different kind of character.. ;) The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. |