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Zayl Unregistered user |
Hi all! I'm pretty new to Adom although I've played through my share of characters and now I've gotten to lvl 20 with my elementalist and I'm about to tackle the ToEF. In an unofficial guide I read that you need 4 sources of fire resistance to become immune against the heat inside ToEF and that the intrinsic fire resistance counts as 2. I have the intrinsic fire resistance, 2 ring of fire resistance AND the elemental gauntlets and still I take damage over time inside the ToEF. Can anyone clarify how that actually works? |
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gravel Registered user if i'm not ADOMing i'm working Last page view: 5876 days, 11 hours, 44 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
get a fireproof blanket to protect your stuff in your backpack and take off anything that can be consumed by fire, ie leather boots etc. the fire is very hot and can also destroy metal The stone giant runs away in fear. Who ever heard of a stone being scared of gravel? |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4246 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
The problem is because you're an elementalist. Due to a dumb bug in the game the elementalist level 6 class power doesn't work correctly and it's impossible to get the intrinsic properly from corpses. This means that you actually need 4 items of fire resistance, or something that gives complete immunity (the crown of science is not recommended). Alternatively you could get a blessed amulet or rapid healing or some other regeneration item to offset the damage. Another point may be if you're a drakeling, in which case the heat of the tower will boil you from the inside (from which there's no protection except healing items). Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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gravel Registered user if i'm not ADOMing i'm working Last page view: 5876 days, 11 hours, 44 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
i always liked the elementalist, especially their heir gift but i didnt know about the bug. obviously i dont always make it to the tower. Looks like i'll try a few other classes for this and not the drakeling race either. The stone giant runs away in fear. Who ever heard of a stone being scared of gravel? |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4246 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Drakelings do quite well in the tower if you can manage the heat. They're speed more than doubles, make the top level quite a doddle. Elementalists are fairly poor overall though, in my opinion. The heir gift isn't that great considering the number of talents needed for it (and resistances are very easy to come by later on), and late in the game they suffer badly from lack of spells. They also have a lot of trouble dispatching of the likes of karmics that have resistances. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Zayl Unregistered user |
@gravel: I already have a blessed fireproof blanket and I unequipped all eqs that could be destroyed by the heat. @Darren Grey: Wouldn't a blessed amulet of rapid healing be destroyed by the heat unless I have a ring och ice? I happen to have one but was afraid to use it if it would be destroyed. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4246 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Yeah, you'd need a blessed ring of ice to wear the amulet, and even then it wouldn't be guaranteed not to burn. Up to you how you want to gamble it... You been to DarkForge yet? Sometimes you can find red dragon scale mail in there (which obviously helps a lot). Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Zayl Unregistered user |
Yeah, I thought so... No I haven't been there yet =S Perhaps worth a shot then =) Thanks for all your help! |
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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4606 days, 12 hours, 41 minutes and 56 seconds ago. |
Make sure, if your'e a drakeling, that you never fart in the ToEF. Make sure you get your woodcrafting skill up, and fashion a cork out of a wooden stick, then hit (u) to use it. Save one for the library too. Or maybe that's why they get the speed boost, they're like rocket-propelled reptiles. Metabolism indeed. "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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Jhonka Registered user Kickass player Last page view: 5363 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes and 26 seconds ago. |
Best way to clear ToEF is 4 blessed magic mapping scrolls and about a dozen teleportation zaps(not to be used on top) and potion of blindness/cursed potion of invisibility |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4946 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Hmm, I began wondering whether you have blessed all of your fire resistance equipment? Do you have the Ring of the High Kings yet? It grants fire resistance and is a [+2, +3] item. A lot better than a plain RoFR. A blessed ring of ice protects ALL BUT 100% of your worn equipment. Sometimes some stuff may burn, but that happens quite rarely. It might be wise to bless all your worn items, so the chance of destruction gets smaller. Necklaces of rapid healing are not that great IMO. Rings, bracers and crowns of regeneration and knives of endurance beat them anytime. They grant regeneration even if equipped in your missile slot. And if you have even minor problems withstanding the simple heat, how are you planning to kill all the fire elementals, demons and grues, not to mention the fat purple W? The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
The absolute best way to deal with the tower is to have enough castings of the Frost Bolt spell to kill anything, and a wand of paralyzation to hold the damn wyrm in place while you zap him with frost bolts, acid bolts or whatever. Scrolls of magic mapping and teleportation is the pussy method. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4946 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Well, a wand of paralyzation does work well on the Wyrm. Ball spells(ice ball in this case) work definitely better than bolt spells - no shrugging off, but a willpower over 32 is advisable (and easily obtained with the water orb) so you need not get too close to the thing. Just as good against the violet W are bolts/ arrows of dragon slaying, the demons and elementals shouldn't be hard at +20 lvl. Straight melee combat is not advised unless you have high DV, a wand of paralyzation or dragon slaying melee weapon such as Wyrmlance or Vanquisher. The W casts nasty energy bolt spell that deals ~80-150 damage. Alertness and dodge skills come handy here. Some blessed PoUHs and PoEHs are a must. "Scrolls of magic mapping and teleportation is the pussy method." -- Yeah, if you are roleplaying a pure fighter char. Although one'd think it's more cowardice to use such a petty thing as a wand of paralyzation instead of bravely engaging to a glorious battle with an incarnation of ultimately chaotic evil ;P. Otherwise it's just a way to deal with the world... The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/9/2008 at 11:13 (GMT -5) by Ashandarei] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4246 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
ToEF has never really given me much challenge - over 200 hp, the resistances (including shock to reduce the wyrm's bolt effects) and a decent weapon are all you need. A few blessed extra healing can be handy, but prayer's always an option. If I want to do things the pussy way, I'll just make sure to have a buffer of elementals between me and the wyrm and keep using wands of acid - the elementals will shrug them off a lot, but the Wyrm won't. Within 10 zaps he'll be reduced to a puddle. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4946 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
(including shock to reduce the wyrm's bolt effects) - Darren Grey The Wyrm casts 'energy ray' spell, so shock resistance is no use whatsoever against it. The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/9/2008 at 15:00 (GMT -5) by Ashandarei] |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4905 days, 53 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
I have to say something about doing things the 'easy' way. Sometimes it is not so easy. If parts of the game start to seem easy to you, simply limit your game turns. Then it will not seem like such cowardly tactics, to use buffer monsters, wands, potions or any other advantage you can get your hands on. It will be a matter of life and death. EDIT: I tried to refrain from asking this, but my curiosity got the better of me. Why did we begin giving advice, to a character that has probably been dead for about 3 months? Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/9/2008 at 23:45 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4946 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
"EDIT: I tried to refrain from asking this, but my curiosity got the better of me. Why did we begin giving advice, to a character that has probably been dead for about 3 months?" - gut My, of course to prove that we are bloody experts in this game! ;) BTW gut, why do you write all your posts like this? To look different from ordinary mortals? ;-) The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4246 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
I'm fairly sure that shock resistance reduces the damage of the ACW's energy ray by about half. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4946 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Can someone verify this please? And with some kind of example from testing or exe digging? The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4905 days, 53 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
The Elemental Gauntlets grant resistance from shock attacks. They would probably always be worn in the tower, except for a lithium man game. I usually take about 90-130 HP damage from an ACW energy bolt, when wearing the Gauntlets. During my lithium man game, I don't remember how much damage my PC took, but I know it couldn't have been over 200 HP's, because I didn't have that many. > BTW gut, why > do you write > all your posts > like this? To > look different > from ordinary > mortals? ;-) Shorter sentences I am writting I find them quite inviting, for sure I am no typing hero my literacy skill is nearly zero! Not all of my posts are written thus. My 'class power rankings' and 'wizard's guide' articles are written using longer sentences. I write longer pieces in a text editor (the GUN) and shorter posts in this here form field. I have a habit of hitting the 'enter' key when I come to the end of a line. On a screen resolution of 800x600 this results in shorter sentences. There are actually many things I like about shorter sentences, not the least of which is that it allows me to tell 'at a glance' where were my last posts in these threads. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/10/2008 at 11:28 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4246 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
The ACW's energy bolt does around 200 damage without shock resistance, and generally 75 without. I'll try and get this properly tested some time if you don't believe me. It's true that the elemental gauntlets are normally worn in the tower, but if you have immunity from another source (crowning, RDSM, crown of fire) then you may forget about some sort of shock resistance. gut, what are you going to do if we all start copying your style and writing our posts like this? Then you wouldn't be able to tell your posts apart, and you'd be tricked into thinking you'd be posting all sorts of things! Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
It wreaks havoc on blogspot formating, that's for sure! :( You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4946 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Darren, I do require a proof before I believe. If schock resistance reduces the damage, how come shock immunity doesn't make you immune to it? The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes and 52 seconds ago. |
The electric attack probably has a physical component in addition to the elemental one. Shock immunity or resistance may reduce the elemental part, but not the physical one. Really, the only way to test this and come to a conclusion is pitching a character equipped with a crown of lightning, but without a shock resistance intrinsic, against the wyrm, taking the crown off inbetween hits to check the difference. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4157 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
i've got char saved in front of wyrm with - no intrinsinc shock resistance - some means of fire resistance - ring of immunity the pain is with alertness 100 it is hard to get hitted with energy bolt, but as my memmories of testing goes shock doesn't help a bit, but i might be wrong. if someone wants to check their statements i can share svg. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4905 days, 53 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
> The ACW's energy bolt does around 200 damage > without shock resistance, I don't think I had shock resistance in my lithium man game, when I did the tower, and I don't remember the bolts being that powerful. > gut, what are you going to do if we all start copying > your style and writing our posts like this? Then > you wouldn't be able to tell your posts apart, and > you'd be tricked into thinking you'd be posting all > sorts of things! I already post, almost exclusively, all sorts of insane and irrelevant things. So if I thought other's posts were mine, my self image might be markedly improved. > It wreaks havoc on blogspot > formating, that's for sure! :( Wizard's guide was written in a text editor, and used longer sentences, not shorter ones. I actually followed the formatting of game 'walk-throughs' available on websites like gamespot. I suppose I didn't take into consideration how it would translate to a blogspot. Sorry again, for the formatting nightmare. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |