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DK Unregistered user |
Anyone noticed eating killer bugs can increase dex, decrease willpower AND INCREASE SPEED? I once got bracers of regen and seven league boots, a few cursed "hunger herbs" and 200+ ammo (High Elven Archer)with a few useful wands and entered the bug cave, came out with 40+ Dex, 150+ speed and 1 willpower though. My elven mail was damaged from (0,6) to (0,1), but of course there's 2 better pieces in the cave:) So, in the late game, my archer was a tank after getting sun's messenger. She killed emperor moloch without it being able moving a step... Don't recommend this for heavy spellcasters or brute force fighters. Mindcrafters? Don't ever bother going in |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
They increase speed, indeed ;) Mindcrafters can do it too with heavily trained missile skillz, and spellcasters can do it with bolt and ball spells. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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DK Unregistered user |
I mean don't recommend eating the bugs for heavy spellcasters, lol. 1 willpower is not something to laugh about |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Unless their Willpower is over 25, a spellcaster can munch killer bugs with impunity. It will only take some time to regain the willpower with Morgia. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4904 days, 16 hours, 29 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
I think that it is a good idea to consider eating greater and killer bug corpses. I do it all the time, but I like to do it with low level spellcasters. None of the bugs *ever* shrug off bolt spells, 2 bolt spells(acid, lightning, fire or frost) always kills the GB's and 3 always kills the KB's, even with willpower at 1. I don't consider it too bad of a handicap, to wait a while, for willpower to get back to 25, to me it just means shorter bolt spells for a time. BUGWIL is safe enough for a level 1 spellcaster if your careful, but BUGCAV is strictly for later. Mindcrafters usualy start out with an offensive wand that is capable of killing a few GB's, even at level 1. This is very good for thier exp. points, most of the time you can get to level 6 with just 1 kill. Level 6 is important to mindcrafters because that is when they get thier first offensive ability, mind blast. About armour, DV is much more important than PV in the Bug Temple. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4606 days, 4 hours, 17 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
I've got a human ranger with dexterity at 25, maximum potential reached, and willpower at 27, also maximum potential reached. Should I eat the bugs and get that dex up higher, or just leave it as is so I don't have to build up willpower again? "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4904 days, 16 hours, 29 minutes and 11 seconds ago. |
I wouldn't eat them in that case even for the speed increase. You would have to use sickness or starvation to get higher than 27 on DEX, if your going to do that you could just use herbs to the same effect. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Do it for the Speed! Don't use mormal claw bugs, though. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Jhonka Registered user Kickass player Last page view: 5363 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
greater claw bugs get you to 32 and killerbugs to 43. max speed with corpses seems to be 236, after that even quickling queens stop being useful, i dont know about filk, but eating him got me from 234 to 236(+2 to speed seems just sad). With starvation tactic, dex can be taken even further, i hear. And as for speed, archer with 230+ speed, lightning shot and lvl 15 missile weapons, get awesome amounts of shots before anything moves. This combined with dex 99(boosted or othervice) gets missile damage to 100+ with normal bows. |
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Torn Gauntlet Registered user Ultima Last page view: 5988 days, 15 hours, 51 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
to OP: I'm a high elven archer! thanks for the bugcave info i shall tank out soon! (Ultima eats you alive) |
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DK Unregistered user |
Been a while since revisiting the site. killer bugs takes dex over 30 easily and 40 is not impossible. For fighter classes, even trading willpower for dex can be a good option, let alone this also increases precious speed. However, i never go bugcav without seven league boots and some form of healing, regen or herbs. I tried backing up save file and entered without 7LB once, OMG, chased to death by extremely experienced killer bug... By the way, 200+ speed? Are you cheating? That speed is just too insane for me. How many quicklings have you killed :) |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
I got over 200 speed once too. Quickling tree and killer bug munching gets you there. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4606 days, 4 hours, 17 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
Won't all that speed decrease your lifespan a bit, becoming deadly for certain races? Also, won't 200+ speed decrease your xp gained by a lot? "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4075 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Once you get 200 speed, you don't need to be that high level to kick ass. You'll get level 50 either way if you fight enough monsters. (Wyrms on the final level of the BDC should give lots, balors on D:50 too - with high speed, Sraxxarrakex is a lot easier) Decrease lifespan? You're confusing it with the eating of quickling royalty corpses, I think. They, but only they, decrease lifespan by a fairly hefty 25% if eaten. Which you can remedy with potions of longevity. All other ways to increase speed are harmless. (Killer bugs destroy Willpower, obviously) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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noob Registered user Last page view: 5935 days, 17 hours, 24 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
About lifespan: Do you know if the effects of royal quickling corpses and longevity potions are cumulutative or do you only get 25% once? Could you get an elven lifespan for an ork with enough ! of longevity? |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4156 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes and 6 seconds ago. |
<<Could you get an elven lifespan for an ork with enough ! of longevity?>> yes. in testing i've pushed orc over 1000years A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4963 days, 21 hours, 42 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
<wow> That makes orcish assassins/wizards/potion merchants/necromancers look rather attractive. Hmmm. |
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The Real J. Registered user The faceless swordsman Last page view: 5620 days, 21 hours, 8 minutes and 51 seconds ago. |
Soirana: do you happen to know how much one !oLongevity increases lifespan ? Obviously the B/U/C status affects it but is it a constant amount (like 10 years per potion) or relative ? Sytytä toiselle tuli ja hän pysyy lämpimänä jonkin aikaa. Sytytä hänet palamaan ja hän pysyy lämpimänä loppuelämänsä. |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4156 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes and 6 seconds ago. |
i can quote part of assassin guide: <<one of them --- orc vs.long lived talent. Average max age for orc - 42 years. Gain by talent 14 years. (56 still horrible) Effect of blessed potions of longevity in 12-29 (pretty independent from race and original age - orc vs elf evaluation was done)years area. I digged some old research on net. No diving but AdomSage or something like that was used. (if you press my ass against a wall i can repeat research using original method with save-reload.) So one potion is equivalent to talent... >> honestly i didn't test B/U/C status. orc vs elf testing gave minor diferences something like each potion gave elf +2 years more. i had some empyric formula, but i can't access my test result file right now. as i remember my evaluation was something like x+3d7 (or d6), there x is slightly dependent on race. it is random amount not depending on current max age, so they don't become less effective after using even bunch of them. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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THC842 Registered user Last page view: 4493 days, 13 hours, 48 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
the claw and killer bug corpses dont increase past your dx potential though. I've lost alot of willpower trying to do that |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3124 days, 9 hours, 41 minutes and 27 seconds ago. |
They do increase past the potential, just not past the limit for corpses, which is something like 30-35. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Jhonka Registered user Kickass player Last page view: 5363 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
i got to 78 in dex when starvation training was used and I've obtained 83 with starvation + sickness training. I *highly*(!!!!!!!) recommend that raiding the bug temple is done food pres at 100. Othervise it'll get difficult after the temple is cleared. The cave should not be battered unless speed is over 170 or it'll get deadly. |
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Ashandarei Registered user Spearmaster Last page view: 4945 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
""Potions of Longevity alter your maximum age as follows: Cursed: -1d4 Uncursed: +2d6 (Average of 7) Blessed: +4d8 (Average of 18) Here's the corpse effects: Quickling Bard: [Cursed:5%:+2d3PP; Uncursed:25%:+2d3PP; Blessed:50%:+2d3PP], 16.7%:+1Ma, (1d5+2 Speed), -25%MaxAge Quickling King: (1d5+2 Speed), -25%MaxAge Quickling Lord: (1d4+1 Speed) Quickling Queen: (1d5+2 Speed), -25%MaxAge Quickling: (1d3 Speed) Killer Bug: -12Wi, (+6Dx) (+4 Speed) Greater Claw Bug: -6Wi, (+3Dx), (+2 Speed) And finally, here's the list that shows you your cahnces at an increase depending on what your current speed is: 0-119 : 100% 120-139: 57.95% 140-159: 15.90% 160-179: 3.88% 180+ : 0.78%"" - Twinge I personally favour the quickling tree although time runs 'fast' there. I usually speed myself up in the late game, and my WI tends to be a lot higher than 25 by then so the bargaining DE and speed for it isn't worth it anymore. The rust monster touches your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster. Nothing happens. You laugh at the monster's pitiful attempt. |