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Pete Unregistered user |
Hi guys, I have been playing ADOM for a bit and wondered if you could help me out with faster techniques for pre-crowning or post-crowning… It seems like people are regularly getting three pre-crowns, while I struggle for one on a good day. Is it just patience of continually saccing? Blessed stomafilla farming? Any advice on how to accrue enough piety for post-crowns would also be appreciated… Also could anyone please help me with stats training too… I walk around constantly burdened but have yet to gain a stat increase. Also I am able to boost dex, wis, tou with herbs up to around 30 at which point if I stop using herbs my stats start to fall. How are people able to achieve stats of above 70? I know these are pretty open questions but any words of wisdom would be appreciated… Cheers, Pete |
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noob Registered user Last page view: 5928 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
Hey Pete! For Pre/post-crowns you need your level at least at: 8 + (3 x artifacts generated) So you will want to keep artifacts minimal (that's why pre-crowns are better then post - 1 artifact less otherwise it's the same thing). Getting multiple precrowns IS usually a pain. To get the piety good ways are: creature saccing(on cavernous levels nice) and stomafarming("u"sing holy water creates herbs with 33%). The best way however is dragon gold doubling (but remember: this is considered cheap or even cheating by many adom-players and will earn you less respect on winning): 1. Acumulate some gold (Kranach quest) 2. Find blessed girdle/amulet of greed (you can carry HUGE gold amounts with) or at least learn strenght of atlas spell 3. Hunt down some (baby)dragons - ID: good chance around lvl22 (earlyer possible) / wildernis: dooming for more encounters, swamp: black D, mountains: red D) 4. Drop your gold and let the dragon get it (careful: never stand in one line with dragon and gold cause his breath weapon could destroy your money) -> just lure him on the pile and move away till he picks it (kicking the gold helps) -> when he does the gold is doubled! - do it till you are filthy rich (5.000.000 are enough for 4 precrowns) I usually just skip pre-crowns (maximal get 1) when playing without dragon gold cause it's really a matter of patience otherwise... There are many ways training stats very high: Usually you get over 70 if you save all stat-potions until late and exploit all other means before (herbs, corpses, garth->good with casino or dragon gold, ...). All means are even better when decreasing your stats temporarily (sickness, burdening, hunger, corruptions, ...). One trick is to get a ring of weakness to decrease strenght and eat strong monsters (ogres, giants,...) until satisfied then dring potions of exchange to swap stats and repeat till all are ~99. Note that casino gold is also considered cheap (although not as bad as dragon gold doubling). [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/7/2008 at 11:15 (GMT -5) by noob] |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 5827 days, 5 hours, 4 minutes and 32 seconds ago. |
Is dragon gold not a matter of patience, if on a less extent? I despise the dragon gold method. However creature saccing works very well with an altar in a good place. (One not in the corner) Just recently I had a gray elven wizard who had a level with a gnoll/hyena lesser vault and a goblin/hobgoblin tension room on a level with a coaligned altar. (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter |
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noob Registered user Last page view: 5928 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
Yeah - getting an altar in the middle of a cavernous level will nail your 1st (2nd?) precrown in no time (which really is enough), but if somebody really wants them all - dragons are much faster. I agree that dragon gold is really cheap and may spoil some fun, but I'm also sure that it is a hidden feature instead of a bug and open to use if not for reasons of additional challenge seeking. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/7/2008 at 11:31 (GMT -5) by noob] |
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Pete Unregistered user |
Thanks Noob :D Nice to know I’m not being totally foolish. I will continue to plug away sacking and slowly increasing my stats. Thanks again, Pete |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 5827 days, 5 hours, 4 minutes and 32 seconds ago. |
While certainly hard to imagine it's unintentional, I can't believe Thomas would put such a cheap feature into an otherwise so hard and even frustrating game. (Well, it is... "Your blessed seven league boots are ripped to pieces!") (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter |
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noob Registered user Last page view: 5928 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
True, but don't forget that unspoiled players would have to discover it first (which isn't really the obvious thing) - I never knew about it until finding this forum 2 months ago. Also the gold can easily be your doom on the tiniest mistake. |
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Sardaukar Registered user Last page view: 5630 days, 13 hours, 9 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Even altars next to cavernous levels work well..it's not that hard to lure monsters up or down... Precrownings can be either really frustrating or really rewarding tho..:) With strength-training via being Burdened, some races have so low potential STR that it takes lot of time. Athletics of course helps. |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 5827 days, 5 hours, 4 minutes and 32 seconds ago. |
Well, now we are here, unspoiled players have to discover the ability to get crowned. When I was a newb I did get to absolutely close once just for curiosity about what would happen next, but the fact that I should then pray was enlightened upon me by some other ADOM player. Unspoiled players have to discover lots of stuff that we deem obvious, but when looked upon from the beginner's eyes, don't seem to exist at all, and when the realisation dawns upon said beginner, he might curse the game for its cryptic nature. The Mad Minstrel gives away some hints (Banshee etc.), but that is not much. And now, who cares about Dragon gold doubling? :) (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5141 days, 14 hours, 41 minutes and 16 seconds ago. |
Just a tip to the OP: Pete, Any altar will do, regardless of level. How I get pre-crowned easy is this way: 1. Find a lawful altar (or chaotic, but that is risking instant death if you step on it while monsters are watching). Altars can be turned lawful by you if you sac 3000+ gold on it while lawful. And you can be lawful by wearing the blessed amulet of order from sherriff after killing crime boss. 2. Find a lot of food. My most commonest way is get to the arena level in D: and buy cooked lizards. 3. Do not generate any artifacts. If you generated one you need level 11, if you generated two, 14. There is no real problem in waiting till level 11 to do it, if you need to visit dwarftown. Remember SI is an artifact, entering Darkforge generates at least one, entering dark gremlin cave generates one, arena fight 20 wins you one, 1st dwarven quest grants one if you are illiterate, and killing black druids gives one. If none are generated, level 8 is all you need. 4. Patiently sac live critters, and eat your cooked lizards. You can't sac summoned creatures or undead, but you can sac their corpses. (And if you're a hurthling, cook them first). Lawfuls don't sac blink dogs or dwarves, kay? Give it time and you will get it. You may need to leave the level, go up one and kill some, then come back to sac more. There is a bug in the game that makes monsters generation slow down and stop up when you spend a lot of time on the level. 4b. You can use a neutral altar, if you don't wanna spend the gold or become lawful. Just remember a lot of creatures can't be sacced. Almost no animals, "neutral" sounding humanoids like swordmen, ratling thief/archer/anything, barbarian. Assassin, berserker, chaos brother is okay. Wererat too, but not rat. Werewolf, but not any animal-wolves. See, its complicated. 5. If altar is generated in a monster-rich area, feel free to get a second precrown. THIS is seriously boring this way, however. But easily doable, and only needs your time, not any fancy moves. appendix: Remember that piety fades over time, so you should probably do it in one go. And there are other methods, blessed stomofillia is not that hard to get, and usually you can have other useful herbs to harvest too. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4068 days, 9 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
Ratling thief is definitely not neutral-sounding, and their alignment has been made chaotic in a recent bugfix. Speaking of bugs, I don't think the slowdown in monster generation rate is one; merely an intended hindrance for those people farming monsters for precrowns. :P You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5141 days, 14 hours, 41 minutes and 16 seconds ago. |
Ratling thief - he is just trying to make it in a harsh world. Not really EVIL or chaotic. Ratlings are too pathetic to be chaotic. Whenever I find a lawful altar early on, I rush to arena, get the food (a few arena fights can supply the gold, too) and run back to get that first artifact. Depending on my boredom level and PC weakness and suckiness of first precrown gift, I go for the second precrown. But it is boring, usually involving gaining level 11 (or even 14) in the ID, and then back to endless saccing of a few hundred creatures. But the right two artifacts pretty much can hand you the game, then and there. I remember getting bracers of toughness, and then preserver. While having a decent weapon already. -> Mabye not a bug. My thought that it is, is that you can just change level, and it is working again. So no mayor hindrance. Just to people who don't know this. I think I heard a possible explanation which led me to assume a bug. Or unintentional feature. It was that the game monster-counter "thought" the level was full of monsters and slowed generation when it was, in fact, empty. Also, Bugs are neutral, so can't sac them either... |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4068 days, 9 hours, 29 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
Bracers of toughness is not an artifact. You most probably meant the bracers of war. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4239 days, 8 hours, 46 minutes and 53 seconds ago. |
There are a lot of different ways to increase stats, but generally potions are the only reliable way to get them above 30 (unless you employ certain scummy tactics, which I sometimes do). If you pickpocket a lot then you will find yourself a lot of these sorts of potions, and if you have alchemy you might get lucky with a handy PoGA recipe. Over the course of a long game you may be lucky enough to get a few stats in the 70s. This is pretty rare though - normally you'll have most in the 40s or 50s by the end of the game, and even this isn't necessary to beat the game. Having said that though, clearing D50 with maxed out willpower and well-trained acid ball is an immensely pleasurable experience... Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5664 days, 3 hours, 41 minutes and 13 seconds ago. |
To get the most out of your "natural" strength training, you have to walk around not Burdened and not Strained but Strained!. This way your strength will increase to 18. I usually do 1 or 2 precrownings by harvesting stomafillia. 2 herb squares with stoma on a level makes it fast enough. If your stats mysteriously start dropping by themselves, you're doing something wrong. Don't stand around Overburdened! as it abuses Dx(well why would you anyway :). By "abuse" I mean the opposite of training, the next time the game checks for stat increases(every ~1000 turns or something, always when you gain a level) your stats might drop if they've been abused. Don't cast spells if you don't have PP, casting spells from HP abuses mana. Eating candy and/or gnomish candy actually abuses toughness a little! If you aren't very unlucky and don't eat a dozen gnomish candies at a time your toughness shouldn't drop, though :) Also don't eat minotaurs or claw bugs, they lower willpower. Very high stats probably(not always though) involve some sort of "scumming". Some ways to scum for stats: -Walk around the wilderness slaughtering ogre armies while wearing a ring of weakness. Strength. -Starving your character before using herbs or crystals of knowledge. Before you die of starvation, your stats gradually fall to about one half of their original level. This way you can bypass the limits where crystals, herbs and monster corpses stop giving stat increases. You can also gain very high(=99) toughness and strenght because of the apish corruption. Every time you get the message "you suddenly remember your ancestors", these stats increase. Your willpower and learning will drop though, so not really recommended for spellcasters! If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |