Ancient Domains Of Mystery, forum overview / Spoilers / Most tough opponent?
| Online users ( Unknown) |
| Application object not working properly at the moment, no clue who is online... * Numbers in parentheses are the number of minutes since the user last loaded a page. Logged-in users time out after 40 minutes (unless they manually log out), lurkers and anonymous posters after 20. |
|
Elraz Registered user Last page view: 5100 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
I thought alot about this question while playing lately: which is the toughest, most dangerous (gureteed) opponet to beat (beside Andy of course), considering its environment, your ch level when you first meet it etc... I guess it is also a question of your playing style and tactics, but still, I would love to read what you think. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 6/6/2008 at 16:39 (GMT -5) by Elraz] |
||
|
gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4898 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
In my limited turns games, it was a tie for a long time, between the ACW and the Archmage. I realized the power of the stun ray spell on the ACW though, and so that left the Archmage. Then I discovered that he never casts powerful spells at you, as long as you aren't in a direct line with him, so now he isn't so bad either. That leaves... I guess the Cat Lord. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
||
|
THC842 Registered user Last page view: 4487 days, 9 hours, 48 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
keethrax can be tough, he has destroyed many of my weaker characters, of course troll barbidiots crush him. yeah, cat lord. |
||
|
Sulangatori Registered user Tourist Last page view: 1442 days, 15 hours, 37 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
I think Keethrax (or is it Keriax?) is the toughest. No monsters to put between you and him (unless WoMC), but more importantly - an annoying range of attacks. Of course, you don't have to take him on early. ACW is close due to the tower itself, but by himself he's not that bad. Archmage is also close, but it's very late game and most things should be sorted out. I like the way each boss' environment makes them harder. ACW has the heat, Archmage's house has thousands of servants and Keriax' dwelling has no places to hide. |
||
|
gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4898 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
Yulgash's temple used to inflict major equipment damage, which made that temple a challenge. It got toned down in one of the versions though, and has been a joke ever since : ( Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
||
|
Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4240 days, 10 hours, 12 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Who takes equipment into the Air temple anyway? The place is so easy in general pretty much everyone abandons everything they own on the previous level and goes in with just shock-proof gear. I'd say ACW is the biggest bother. He can be disabled in certain ways, but you have no guarantee of finding the items that make him easier. Most importantly though you have a limited amount of game space to prepare in. For everything else there's the Casino, or ways to circumvent them and get to xp-rich areas to buff yourself up more. You have no gaurantee of even finding a weapon that can harm the Wyrm before you have to take on the tower. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
||
|
Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4150 days, 15 hours, 29 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
>can be disabled in certain ways, but you have no >guarantee of finding the items that make him easier pots of invisibility and ways to curse never seemed to be to problematic... A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
||
|
Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4069 days, 10 hours, 54 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
You know, any enemy can be defeated relatively comfortably if you know how. The toughest opponent is neither the Wyrm, nor the Archmage, nor the cat lord... It is Overconfidence, closely followed by Lack of Experience. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
||
|
Sulangatori Registered user Tourist Last page view: 1442 days, 15 hours, 37 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
Underconfidence sucks. |
||
|
vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 4957 days, 17 hours, 43 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
That would be a cool use for potions of booze... throw them at enemies, or even better your favourite pets, and they get a temporary Dutch Courage boost... Sadly the only pet I normally have who isn't a complete wimp is the gloriously bold, yet sadly pathetic, dumb puppy, which for some reason was born with total faith in its abilities as a fighter, and the ability to independently go down stairs, but not up them. Where is the mother of this strange pup, thats what I always wonder... |
||
|
gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 4898 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 45 seconds ago. |
> total faith in its abilities as a fighter That was hilarious. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
||
|
FUNKtional Key Registered user A Die-Hard Tactician Last page view: 5790 days, 1 hour, 42 minutes and 22 seconds ago. |
in terms of raw stats (to-hit, damage, DV/PV, HP, speed etc.) the toughest monster in ADOM is L20 Cat Lord. period All roads lead to chaos, in the end. |
||
|
Kingsdragon Registered user You smelt it you dealt it! Last page view: 5771 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
I think when I got the puppy the last time was the only time he didn't kill anything. Anything at all. There was a peculiar stair pattern. They were really close together so I went up, up, up, up and so on without killing anything or the puppy killing anything. Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife XD |
||
|
nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5765 days, 8 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
I personally wouldn't say any of the bosses, because all of them are not a surprise(to people who have played before) I mean, when I enter the ToEF, I know what I'm in for, and i'm not going to enter unless I know i'm prepared. When I go against the archmage, I come to that level prepared. I personally would say that the following monsters throughout the game can be the most problematic(depending on your char of course-spellcasters may not care about doppleganger kings, whereas a barbarian would not be very happy) Doppleganger Kings-(less improved versions for early game, they can kill you when you are off your guard or aren't prepared) Emperor Lich/Moloch-if you just don't have artifact weapons, or ranged methods of attacking, these guys will kill you. Ghost King-can kill a troll or orc in a matter of turns if it gets its hands on you...and that's because they usually manage to surprise you by popping out of a wall while you're fighting a tension room or whatnot. Ki Rin- immune to all elements, can cast death ray, and heal themselves, with their own regenerative powers, they can be a quick death since they are very very rare...I dunno why some monsters like Ki Rins don't show up practically ever...but the 2x i've seen them they pretty much destroyed me. I really need to get into the habit of training my spellcasters in ranged weapons, or get a better weapon for them>.> But after all that being said, if a char is well rounded, well stocked and prepared,then any monster can be taken down. Just use your wits with some of these monsters: Greater molochs cannot go across water Ghost Kings cannot see invisible Dopplegangers can be hit by coins and are vulnerable in the dark So that's just my opinion. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
||
|
Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4069 days, 10 hours, 54 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
Emperor liches and molochs tend to be easily avoided. You actually have to be pretty dumb or extremely unlucky to die to any kind of moloch. As for emperor liches, yeah, they're dangerous, but anyone who doesn't immediately become super-careful if he sees a black L deserves to be slaughtered. Besides, the solution is easy. Undead slaying ammo. Seconding the doppleganger king and that goddamn ghost king. The ghost king really can get you at the worst possible moment, and the doppleganger king actually manages to fool me with his lookalikeness sometimes... I have seen only one ki-rin in my entire ADOM career (very early to boot, with my first character in winning shape - got killed by a battle bunny later) and I killed it easily using Magic Missile. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
||
|
Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4240 days, 10 hours, 12 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Teleportation makes almost anything easy enough. The temple levels and cat lord level are all much harder simply because they no longer allow teleportation. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
||
|
Kingsdragon Registered user You smelt it you dealt it! Last page view: 5771 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
I don't get why everyone keeps saying the cat lord is hard. I have had three level 50 chars and all of them killed the cat lord w/o much trouble. Hehe... I wasn't lvl 50 when I killed him though. I was actually surprised when I first killed him how many lvls I went up... I think i was a hurthling Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife XD |
||
|
Kingsdragon Registered user You smelt it you dealt it! Last page view: 5771 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
As for the ACW just go up to it hold the button down with constant attack and close your eyes... hope you fin SoCR later hehe... Joking. But I DID do that you know.... I was invisible. I swear I never had my eyes so far out my head then the time I looked at the corruptions I got Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife XD |
||
|
Timpen Registered user za za zaa za zaa Last page view: 5772 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
I think the ACW is one of the easier bosses in the game. Keethrax is a real killer, I always generate him at low level to come back later and kill him. Archmage can be annoying also, but most of the times he ain't. Same with yulgash. I think I stick with Keethrax as the hardest guaranteed enemy. Si vis pacem, para bellum |
||
|
Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4069 days, 10 hours, 54 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
Keethrax is a major pussy! What were the experiences that made you this afraid of him? You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
||
|
nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5765 days, 8 minutes and 7 seconds ago. |
He probably wanted to kill him in the early game, Silfir. Pretty much the whole east-side of the Drakalor Chain is easy if you come back once you're level 20, everything dies easily(even if you were a naked hurthling wizard without spells) But for someone who wants to get stuff done in 'order', keethrax could prove difficult with certain chars. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
||
|
Kingsdragon Registered user You smelt it you dealt it! Last page view: 5771 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
I have decided. The earth orb boss dude. OW YOU FU*K*R Lost me a good char *grumble* Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife XD |
||
|
Timpen Registered user za za zaa za zaa Last page view: 5772 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
-Keethrax is a major pussy! What were the experiences -that made you this afraid of him? Unless you generate him early and then level up some he can be real troublesome. What were the experiences that made you all so afraid of ACW? I have never ever had a char no matter class or race having problems with it. Wizards and anyone that uses ranged (= all chars can pick up a bow or xbow and fire slaying ammo at him) can kill him without even getting close. If you decide to kill him melee it only take 3-5 hits. I've even had wizards meleeing him without problem. That's the main problem with adom imo, once you get above level 20 the game is waaaaaaaaay to easy. Si vis pacem, para bellum |
||
|
Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4240 days, 10 hours, 12 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Well, turns out emperor moloch is actually quite tough if you let him hit you. Of course this is easily avoided by being sensible, but overconfidence as always is a big killer... Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
||
|
Nezur Registered user Last page view: 5438 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes and 32 seconds ago. |
Stone block traps in the early game and tough opponents just round the corner are very dangerous. :P EDIT: Oops, the adversity had to be guaranteed. Apologies. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 7/7/2008 at 14:18 (GMT -5) by Nezur] |
||
|
AshenPlanet Registered user Last page view: 3178 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
I'd vote for Blup's mom. Her melee attacks are nothing special, but that water breath... |
||
|
Sylph Unregistered user |
Yuglash can be a real killer, imo. He's such a wildcard, there's very little you can do to prepare yourself for the fight against him, particularly given that even if you are prepared, your amulet of death ray resistance could get zapped by the level. I still remember the time he summoned 6 banshees on me - really wasn't prepared for that insta-death. :) He's not consistently difficult, by any stretch, but then as mentioned, nothing is difficult if you're ready for it. I'd say yuglash is the hardest because it's so hard to be ready for him. |
||
|
SirMason Registered user Paladin of the Shining Citadel Last page view: 4746 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes and 17 seconds ago. |
Going up against the ACW, the difficulty varies for who your PC is. My DE assassin was able to poison and blind the ACW before even entering melee combat. I guess all you need is a strategy. The Archmage was probably the most difficult. Most dangerous non-unique monster? Ghost King. You pick up the Wand of Do Nothing. 'z'... Nothing happens. 't'... The Wand of Do Nothing misses the kestral. Come on, it's a Wand of Do Nothing! |
||
|
Jhonka Registered user Kickass player Last page view: 5357 days, 10 hours, 12 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
the banshee thing is a bit bad! I've once had(in a row) emperor and king liches. Three turns later there were about a couple dozen enemies between me and the damn summoner. The level after everything is pisseasy is 30 and applies only for mindcrafters. Boost mana + boost willpower and bingo, you are equipped for absolutely anything the game can throw at you. I tested this with *every* boss besides wyrm, snake and emperor moloch (keriax, water dragon, fisty!, summoner, arch-mage, earth guy and the sxxsxsxssssxxxssxxsxsrxrrxrxsrxsrxsxsrrs... xrxrsrxsrxsrxsrxsrxsrxsrxs) |
||
|
Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3600 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes and 16 seconds ago. |
I think the hardest monsters I've ever faced in ADOM are the Cat Lord and Emperor liches. Usually bosses are not a big problem for me, but Emperor liches... the ones that are problematic are those found in greater undead vaults. I can't stand the thought of leaving an artifact behind, that may be the Bracers of War, so I usually attempt to clear it, without having nearly enough wands/arrows of undead slaying. The Cat Lord is usually tough since I tend to kill all the cats I see, and my characters rarely have over 400-500HP when fighting him. Leading him down the stairs gets me pretty injured. For the Horde! |