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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 8 hours and 49 seconds ago. |
My current char is L+ and I want it to be temporary N in order to access to few stuff unavailable to a L+ char. I read in the guide book the various suggestions like to use an altar of the targeted alignment and make many little offering. Or to do some chaotic acts and so on. But the guide mention no risk with the current god. I want L+ -> N+ -> L+ The N+ -> L+ will be done naturally by healing pets. I'm not sure yet how I'll do the L+ -> N+. But is there really no risk to do that alignment loop? |
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Subconscious Registered user Adventurer of the Human Mind Last page view: 5602 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes and 48 seconds ago. |
Depends... ...on are you crowned or not. If you aren't, theres nothing to fear if you are doing the drop short-termed. While crowned you can get doomed/cursed and get attacked by several creatures sent by deities and maybe hit by divine wrath and stuff. And this will cause you to be completely unable to communicate with your deity anymore(not sure about this though). /edit. Ohh and theres no fear of aligment loop, it needs crazy amount of deity taunting. "The white baby dragon equips the small shield." WTF :D [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/22/2008 at 08:33 (GMT -5) by Subconscious] |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 8 hours and 49 seconds ago. |
Lol thanks I avoid attempt the crowning! :-) |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 16 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Do remember that if you change your alignment, all your piety with your old god is outta the window, and I think he even becomes extra pissed at you if you return to his path. If you rely on prayer healing to some extent, that can hurt. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
Not all piety - It goes down from very close (after pre-crown) to pleased/very pleased. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 8 hours and 49 seconds ago. |
Dam thanks for the warning I'm currently only very pleased. |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
It's drop lessens if your god doesn't hate you. If you're at very pleased, he'll either ignore you, or grumble a bit, but won't get pissed much if you return. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/22/2008 at 15:08 (GMT -5) by Maelstrom] |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 8 hours and 49 seconds ago. |
Ha ok thanks I'll just make sure to be clearly very pleased before attempt alignment change. As I didn't found any tract of chaos and doing chaos act won't be so simple I'll try the numerous little offering to a neutral altar. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 34 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
To drop down to N I'd recommend killing beggars in in the bandit village. Saccing at altars to change alignment can be risky business - only do it if you're wearing only artifacts (eg si in the missile slot). When you change back to L be sure to sac a bit to get your old god happy again. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Fastest way for someone who can tame pets is - tame an animal and then kill it. You attack it by (k)icking it first. Should drop you right into N+ from L. You have to kick it yourself for the alignment drop,but then you can let your long-term pets kill it. |
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MrNiceguy Registered user Last page view: 5755 days, 23 hours, 23 minutes and 8 seconds ago. |
If you have the equipment for it, grave digging is a pretty good way to drop alignment. Not as quick as killing beggars or pets, but it can yield some decent loot in the "Great Treasures Buried Here" graves. Stay away from those if you can't handle Liches, though. Redundancy is good. And also good. |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 8 hours and 49 seconds ago. |
Thanks for all suggestions. For beggars I got none in this game. Probably all killed by bandits but I never saw any. For using altar I understood it was without risk with gold and small sums. Molach: Well taming with a priest isn't as easy and fast than with a bard. I discovered that using calm spell help a lot but it's still not so fast. Still an idea I could attempt. But perhaps just mixing calm spell and a kick will do the job on anything no need of taming. For grave I haven't seen any yet. |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
There are only 2 places with graves - the dwarven graveyard and the CoC graveyard under Khelevaster, which, unlike the dwarven one, isn't fixed in size. Quite a lot of graves are possible if you play in higher resolutions. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 16 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Oh yeah. Quite an assload of graves, and the undead monsters to go with them... I just wish I had gotten to see the casino with that PC. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
I see, I thought you were a bard now. Kick is because you cannot simply walk into pets, they move away from you instead. So need to kick to start hitting them. A great way to lose L is to attack neutral monsters (Do you really wish to attack?) - say yes. Do not do this in terinyo or dwarftown, but elsewhere is safe enough. Sometimes neutral monsters are generated random in dungeon. Or use calm spell. Then just say yes. |
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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4809 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes and 16 seconds ago. |
If you become a fallen champion, can you build up your piety with one of the two other gods? "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5875 days, 28 minutes and 22 seconds ago. |
I think yes, you can build up piety, get the lucky/fate smiles and whatnot, but you can't get crowned again no matter what. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 8 hours and 49 seconds ago. |
Ok thanks for the advices as I'm lazy I just applied the small offerings at a neutral autel, 50g each, it goes fast to be NL probably less than 10 offerings. Each time there was a grumbling but after the switch I have no doom or anything and still had the luck intrisic. I haven't yet go back to L. Before to do the alignment change I checked at a L altar and gave 1000 or 2000 additional gold, was still only "very pleased". |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
Silfir - If you've ever been to a 1024x768 casino with a char that has teleportitis, you'll curse the day you drank from a pool/ate a pixie corpse when starving. I've NEVER seen what is in the upper quarter of that blasted shop. It was bigger then a greater vault (vault sizes do not scale with the resolution :( ) A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Subconscious Registered user Adventurer of the Human Mind Last page view: 5602 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes and 48 seconds ago. |
I dont clearly understand this resolution thingy - More resolution, more stuff on dungeon level? And how can I change this resolution so it works that way? Do I need DOSBox? Or does it work in WinBeta as well? "The white baby dragon equips the small shield." WTF :D |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 16 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
I only know how it works in the DOS version without DOSBox under Windows. You can right click the title bar in window mode, click "Properties" or whatever it is in English, and under "Layout" you can increase the number of rows on the screen. I play with 25 rows. I've played with greater levels, but I prefer the smaller ones, small casino notwithstanding. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
Subconscious - the standard resolution for ADOM is 640x480, if I remember correctly. Lesser vaults take 1/4 of a level, grater vaults take half. Now, if you play in a bigger resolution, levels will be that much bigger. ASCII are made from a set amounts of pixels, more pixels=more ASCII on the screen. On 1024x768 greater vaults are the same size (as they are pre-defined shapes), but the levels are bigger and thus greater vaults take only 1/4 of a level. The downside? Bigger levels = slower game, it takes more days to finish the game, finding the down staircase in the SMC before it's too late is a real challange. And the predefined levels (dwarven graveyard, pyramid) look funny - you get a smaller, centered level screen. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/23/2008 at 12:15 (GMT -5) by Maelstrom] |
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Subconscious Registered user Adventurer of the Human Mind Last page view: 5602 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes and 48 seconds ago. |
Ahh... I thought vaults would be in same scale as they are on normal screen. That would have made item&weapon farming easier but nevermind then. "The white baby dragon equips the small shield." WTF :D |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5875 days, 28 minutes and 22 seconds ago. |
What about normal shops, randomly generated in dungeons when playing with a bigger screen? Are they bigger or the same? How about darkforge and the weapon/armour/pool rooms there, are they bigger? From earlier discussions I seem to remember that no more monsters/items are generated in dungeons even if the levels are bigger, so that makes food a bit more of a problem in the beginning, but if there's more empty space in levels, it would mean more space for manouvering and fleeing from monsters if you get in a tight spot. I might have to try this kind of game someday. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
shops are the same as always, only one in a few is bigger then the view of a Pe:9 character. And yes, food is a problem. There is no more empty space, rooms are normal, corridors are still 1 space wide (with the exclusion of the oddball cases when vaults overlap with a corridor, making it 2 spaces wide). If anything, there's more tight spots. But gemology+PC2 is fun :D P.S. THREAD HIJACK! ;P A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 34 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
It's generally defined by rows and columns in Windows, not screen resolution. The min is 80x25 (which is what most people use). You can go up to somethingh like 125x40. Playing it like that can be boring, since you spend so much time exploring. Food is more of an issue early on, and corruption more of an issue later. Casino is about the only advantage. Notably you can't change the screen size between games. You need to have the right resolution set when loading the save game, so playing with different characters at different resolutions is a nightmare. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes and 14 seconds ago. |
Well, I don't use set rows and columns, they adjust to my resolution. Yeah, I was about to mention that. If you load a save file made on a diffrent screen size, it'll either be smaller then your screen, centered, or you'll be screwed, since the level will go off your screen. Try that for a blind monk challange ;P A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 8 hours and 49 seconds ago. |
To come back to alignment changes. So the first time using an altar and small gold offering worked nice. As I have no control on the alignment of my char I get back to L a lot too soon. Ok so go on to change again the alignment... all items worn in dust! Well I get back to savegame backup, tried again, it seems not random. The reason could be that after alignment change I didn't think to make some offering to the gray altar god. At this point as I'm not neutral anymore but need go back to it I'll have to use another method for that or will apply the little cheat of unwearing all but a cursed si in missile slot. For the L god before that I tested altar as I was L or L+ it grumble a little, after 1 corpse and 2k gold it was again pleased/very pleased. |
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Subconscious Registered user Adventurer of the Human Mind Last page view: 5602 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes and 48 seconds ago. |
Darn... Someone should have told you already, but trying to convert aligment of altar or yourself by livesaccing might be very dangerous. Quoting the guidebook: "A live sacrifice at a nonaligned altar behaves similarly to non-live sacrifices in that small sacrifices move the PC toward the alignment of the altar while large ones move the altar to the PC's alignment, but it is much more difficult to predict exactly what will happen. There are many factors involved: the PC's experience level, crowned vs uncrowned status, piety relationship with both the PC's god and the nonaligned god as well as the experience level of the monster being sacrificed. A goblin is considered a large sacrifice for a level one PC but small for a level ten PC. It is very difficult to predict exactly what will happen in borderline cases. After reaching experience level five or so, it becomes very risky to attempt an altar conversion using a low level live sacrifice such as an orc or goblin. The god's standards are higher than that by this point." "The white baby dragon equips the small shield." WTF :D |
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Doalag Registered user Last page view: 6061 days, 8 hours and 49 seconds ago. |
Don't worry someone (Darren) told me :-) but as the guidebook seems to say it's ok with small offering I didn't listen. :-) Read the guidebook you quote it's only about live sacrifice, just after this chapter there's a part that seems to say that with small gold offering it's ok. So no it's not ok under some special circumstances, probably when the god you target already know you and already dislike you. Anyway, the si trick worked like a charm, I get back to N after about 10 offering of 50 gold. There I made few 1k gold offering and got the gray god very pleased. For sure I'll apply same caution when go back to L and an L alter. :-) |
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