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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4809 days, 19 hours, 55 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
Are there werewolf kings? My limited experience with werewolf lords showed me they were tough nasty monsters, with multiple attacks that hit reasonably hard, and a decent chance at critical hits or armor bypassing hits. Plus, they'll likely get a good bonus to hit thanks to having their minions surround you if you can't get to a corridor quickly enough. A higher DV than the average monster will make you miss a bit too. "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
There are werewolf kings, and they summon lords, who summon normal werewolves. Ofcourse, the kings themselves are on diamond golem levels of power, so it's not like they need the summons. A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. |
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J. Registered user You'll never get rid of me Last page view: 5875 days, 44 minutes and 39 seconds ago. |
Werewolf lords and kings are also fast, with 120-130 speed or something, so it's hard to run from them if you come across them in the early game and aren't powerful enough to take them on. If you're feeling happy, don't worry, it'll go away. Originally posted by noob: "I'm everytime amazed how you people know to exploit every single little bug (or not-bug) for elaborated scumming tatics even if the feature seems completely useless or bad." |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 6038 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
And the whole werewolf business might get on a gremlin-like level. You will notice the increase of power if you don't get out of the mess quick. (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/13/2008 at 07:25 (GMT -5) by Battle bunny] |
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zv Registered user Last page view: 5871 days, 6 hours, 5 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
"4) Polearms > Everything else. The DV bonus is HUGE combined with a shield. This makes polearms superior to other 1-H weapons. In addition the polearm class has the most artifacts, including the most powerful weapon in the game, and one that's guaranteed, easy to get and quite powerful(rune-covered trident)." This all true except the one fact that all awesome polearms are two-handed. If you go one-handed you get great DV, but you won't get a good striking power unless you find a spear of devastation or penetration. Other categories have more options: unarmed is built-in for its users, daggers come in death or phase variety (and have a great artifact), clubs have a great 1h artifact, maces have two good varieties and a great artifact, swords are sharp (and their artifacts are better on average than 1h spears), axes have the best 1h artifact, whips have their snakes and slaughterings, two-handed weapons have guaranteed stuff of devastation (and the second best two-handed artifact after the trident) and finally staves have many fine varieties and artifacts comparable to 1h artifact spears. Of course, polearms are still the best, because unlike other weapon categories you have the 1h defense / 2h well-roundedness versatility, but they're not so outrageously overpowered. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/13/2008 at 08:36 (GMT -5) by zv] |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
I once took out a werewolf king tension room. It took bloody AGES to wade through that mess... You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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noob Registered user Last page view: 6139 days, 9 hours, 2 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
Maybe true - I use spears mostly not so much for the nice dv bonus but to be skilled with the TotrR when I get it and often a simple eternium spear is the best I find while I could been using much better stuff of different weapon classes... |
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Nightmare Registered user Soul Calibur 2 Last page view: 4809 days, 19 hours, 55 minutes and 33 seconds ago. |
With werewolf kings, if you're strong enough, that could be a good way to train up your weapons. Just hold the arrow key in the right direction long enough and plow through their minions and eventually them. Maybe even back off from the kings and lords, to give them time to summon more fodder. "As for me, I feel priveleged to be among the only species able to make scientific inquiries." -unknown "Be sure to keep your distance if you don't have resistance." -DG |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 6038 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
^Ladies and gentlemen, Nightmare just demonstrated the one thing that everyone must avoid. The "Walking Tank Syndrome", also known as "Overconfidence TO THE MAX", is the downfall of many a character, and there is yet no cure for it. Prevention is the best medicine. :) (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
No matter how ridiculously powerful you are, werewolf kings are dangerous. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/14/2008 at 02:41 (GMT -5) by Silfir] |
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noob Registered user Last page view: 6139 days, 9 hours, 2 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
...especially their corpses |
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rmcin329 Registered user Last page view: 5426 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
haha yeah, imagine an enraged werewolf king, due to one stepping on the corpse of another. |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 5108 days, 8 hours, 7 minutes and 15 seconds ago. |
The game crashes if you eat one. At least it used to. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Spider factories are better for training weapons and shields, since you can get a higher total of marks from each (especially tarantulas). I would still never ever ever simply hold down the key with them though. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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rmcin329 Registered user Last page view: 5426 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
Swamp hydras air elementals and black dragons work well for gaining shield marks, however beware of possible equipment damage from the lightning air elementals breath. True a black dragons acid breath can also cause equipment damage, but it seems to rarely do so(less then lightning for sure) unless you're on very aggressive/berserk tactics that is. Such tactics seem to make it more likely for equipment damage to occur, in my experiences. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Man, fighting those for marks is just insane in my opinion. Plus hunting them down means spending a long time in the wilderness. Spider factories are all too easily found (especially in cavernous levels) and don't have *any* risk of equipment damage (except sometimes armour damage, but if deliberately training marks it's best to switch to a backup armour to prevent this). Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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rmcin329 Registered user Last page view: 5426 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
heh you think it takes long now, try it as a wizard, then you need twice the normal amount of marks :P |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Triple isn't it? Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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rmcin329 Registered user Last page view: 5426 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
Nope, double. |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 19 seconds ago. |
Ah, my memory is failing me in my old age... :P Anyway, for a wizard I normally stick with spear and shield unless I find something amazing because of the fact they need so many marks - they can't build up in a new weapon as easily as the fighting classes. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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rmcin329 Registered user Last page view: 5426 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes and 4 seconds ago. |
For mine i'm actually using class appropriate equipment lol. Which means no spear and shield, no eternium plate mails etc, lol |
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Battle bunny Registered user I'm just that cool Last page view: 6038 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes and 58 seconds ago. |
I use swords, because of 1. Sword of Nonnak, for that extra bit of willpower, 2. kickass swords I might manage to find which are more likely to be found than spears, 3. A wizard with a spear? A spellsword, okay, but what is this? Roman battlemage? :D Above post would make for a nice challenge game if the Robes of Resistance weren't there... (\_/) (o.0) (> <) ( / \ ) Don't click this http://www.mindistortion.net/iwantyoursoul/?i_am=Darkcutter |
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zv Registered user Last page view: 5871 days, 6 hours, 5 minutes and 40 seconds ago. |
Oh, yeah, bunny's got a good point about swords. They are good for wizards, I played a wizard recently who hacked a greater moloch to pieces with a sword (eternium & of devastation :D though swords of sharpness are okay too). |
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ADOMNewb101 Unregistered user |
To be fair here, unless you're very lucky, most 1 handed spears suck compared to other melee weapon types as far as pure damage goes. Unless you can find a good spear of penetration/devastation, you're pretty much stuck with 2 handed weapons, which means you can't use shield, hence the necessarily higher DV bonus on spears. On the other hand, if you can find an eternium spear of penetration, you can get a really godly DV. Yes, Nightmare, there are werewolf kings. They're annoying mainly in that they summon werewolf lords, which means there's the potential for very large mobs. I've never actually been killed by one though, whereas I have had a few low level characters killed by werewolf lords. As an added problem, I've noticed there does seem to be a rare crash associated with werewolves somehow, so spawning lots of them is probably something better avoided. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes and 29 seconds ago. |
To be fair to Nightmare, he did acknowledge the existence of werewolf kings in the course of this thread already :) Very early in the game, the orcish spear is quite a good weapon. Concentrating on spear + shield is in most cases only super powerful if you switch on coward and spellcast your way through, which is the point of the combo. The only werewolf related crash I'm aware of is that you shouldn't eat werewolf kings. Or has that one been fixed? You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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ADOMNewb101 Unregistered user |
I'm not sure if eating werewolf king corpses will still crash the game. It's been my experience that on very rare occasions, when I kill a werewolf, ADOM would crash. I haven't been able to consistently reproduce the effect yet, though. |
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GiantFrog Registered user another gray elven wizard Last page view: 5646 days, 1 hour and 41 seconds ago. |
I have to agree with Battle Bunny - wizards and swords are a fine combination. +5 Wi is nothing to sneeze at. Plus, when you find an adamantium scimitar of penetration (like my last character did), you can start carving up diamond golems like a Thanksgiving turkey. Nice! You pick up the worn boots. |
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Caladriel Registered user ReGiStErEd UsEr Last page view: 4908 days, 11 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
Um, Maelstrom . . . Where were you seeing a person actually fight with a spetum and a battle axe? Soirana and Darren, You should track down the Highlander scene of spear vs sword (The series, not the movies) Duncan uses a spear to fight some sword wielding immortal who had killed Duncan's Native American family way back when. |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 11 hours, 44 minutes and 42 seconds ago. |
Early in the chinese movie "Hero" there is a great fight scene, spear vs. sword. |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
On a medieval fair they had a battle, or rather a series of simultaneous duels, between the local knight orders/recreation brotherhoods. Ofcourse, it wasn't accurate, but it was fun to watch and they didn't stop for injuries, even though a broken arm from a mace [shields don't stop those very well] was the worst one - it was still just a raised hand for saying "I give up". A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 4/23/2008 at 10:51 (GMT -5) by Maelstrom] |
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