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Sandemar Registered user Last page view: 5166 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Rather annoying. I used backupped svg. file to resurrect TherapyII. Quitted the game one turn before leaving D. Chain after closing the gate. 53255 turns, 5127724 points, 27 days, 23 hours 25 minutes, exp. lvl 43... If I just would have had bit more luck on the first try. Its depends on so little. It's nice no know that this char had what it takes but savescumming just ain't so glamorous. Yeap, maybe next time... |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 5108 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
Sandemar: You did a great job with that barbarian. I am thinking that an orc barbarian would have a much more difficult time, than a gray elven wizard. You would have to beat the whole game without the healing skill. YIKES! Having no real source of on demand teleportation would certainly be rough. Even if you save Khelly, and get the spellbook, you still couldn't use it because your PC can't learn it. Obtaining the book and not getting use out of it would drive me nuts. I won't even mention the life span. UGH! I wonder why you didn't spend more time harvesting herbs. I consider herb picking to be one of the most efficient uses of turns in the game. Maybe THE most efficient, with the exception of the casino of coarse. I was browsing through your flg, and noticed that you had a number of items in your inventory, that could have really helped you. blessed wand of fireballs (10 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of fire (2 charges) [4s] uncursed potion of invisibility [4s] blessed scroll of protection [2s] I know you were waiting to bless these, before using them. uncursed potion of gain attributes [4s] uncursed scroll of protection [2s] cursed scroll of defense [2s] cursed scroll of charging [2s] I sometimes wonder how many of my own PC's would live, if only I would remember to use the items that I already have! I noticed in your flg, that the Air orb was never generated, so I take it you never killed Yulgash. (Actually I thought the chaos orbs were generated upon entering the orb's level, not upon killing the boss, so I learned something!) Personally, I don't consider the air temple to be a place to shy away from. I think you would have breezed through it. The extra exp. points may have helped you get some levels up. In my experience, that helps a lot, to avoid age attacks. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Sandemar Registered user Last page view: 5166 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Gut:Amazing luck like finding a ring shop with ring of regeneration very early helps the healing problem. And a few spenseweeds and orc's natural healing before that. I hoped for teleportation from wands of wonder but no luck. But with something like P:10(10) bookcasting would have drained a lot of hitpoints and be too costworthy anyways. There's been much conversation of extensive herb farming being a scummy tactic. I just picked up all herbs in vision at once. Having herbalism helped to get quite a lot herbs anyway. I tried to avoid all boring and normally as scummy regarded tactics such as gremling bomb and dragon gold. This is how the challenge stayed exciting and interesting the whole time. Ghost's come trough walls and I had to take a cirkle when trying to find the stairway so they quickly surrounded me. Normal ghosts might have fallen from one zap from the wand of fireballs but ghost lords would have taken at least two and my defences weren't so good even when 'coward'. I weighted my options. Decided to move one pace more but I shouldn't have :) That !invis could have given me some more time but I think I was too obsessed with that ring of mine on that moment. And yes, I was really hoping for altar to get some holy water. That's why I passed the air temple. I hoped for altar and greater vault containing something else than undead. Pretty much I was hoping for luck that I had on my retry with the resurrected char. The level after air temple had an altar and the third one had greater vault full of giant-likes. Gained some exp. levels some artifacts and usefull stuff from there, after that air temple really was a breeze and earth elementals fell from two swings of Vanquisher. Lesser vault on D:47 with fire dragons gave a WoWi with 4 charges. Wished for amulets of death ray resistance, wands of teleportation, potions of booze...and everything went just as planned, no stupid fuss with more stupid ghosts... *damn* [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/24/2008 at 08:24 (GMT -5) by Sandemar] |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Ghosts tend to see invisible, at least lords do... You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 5108 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
Ghosts/lords/kings see in darkness, not invisible :) To my knowledge, the only undead that see invisible are lichs, skeletal kings, and Griff. At least that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 11 hours, 26 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
mummies and Rehetep do see invisible. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Bah. My Druid named Lithium is mightily stuck. Guess I'll have to let Khelly die. But how do I get rid of Thrundarr without causing a huge mess? Hmmm... Summon a pet in the Dwarven Halls to do the dirty work for me... Aaah yes... The tables have turned... You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
Or just cause a huge mess :). If you're finished with the dwarves anyway. |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
Running around with my latest dwarven wizard. Found an altar on D:8, and decided to sacrifice to gain atleast one crowning gift. "Mortal you shall be rewarded for your perseverance" For a moment you are surroundedby bright light. Something seems to be lying at your feet. You pick up the shining silver bracers. I actually need to kill a rust monster now, have no Idea what scroll is ID. Then going to run down and check out the dwarven halls. That wand is handy for Rehethep. Err, wait a minute... |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 4109 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes and 39 seconds ago. |
Silfir, iirc Thrundarr can eventually be teleported away from the lever, but it might take pretty many tries. Molach, check the two kind of scrolls you have most of, they are likely to be scrolls of uncursing and identify, not guaranteed, but usually those scrolls are most common. "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
I actually had one each of about 7 scrolls. Quest finished, though, but dead (nothing lithium-related, ancient red dragon in the arena) Curses! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Wand of teleportation isn't that easy to come by when you can't get it in the assassin dungeon. Doesn't matter anyway. Let a writhing mass of primal chaos waste him. Har har har. Currently annoyed because my Druid is so weak. He's stuck at 11 Learning and gets ridiculous castings, and no book I read seems to help. Apparently, you need to gain a certain amount of castings before Learning is trained (My current gray elven priest, which I started to test my theory that priests are loads better than druids (they are), seemed to have no problem training his 20 Learning to 22, before the greater daemon drained it back down to 17). I better invest some cash in Garth's training. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 5108 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
Silfir: I have two questions for you. 1. Why did you allow that druid to live? To my eyes, any druid that starts out with a learning score of 11 should be put to immidiate death. I think my character 'Fluid' started with something like 22. 2. Why are you fighting the greater deamon. If it is the dwarftown deamon we are talking about, you should sac him. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
1. Because I didn't feel like it? I don't like to scum for perfect stats. I like to think of myself as skilled enough not to need that. 2. It may be safer to sacrifice the daemon, but that doesn't mean I have to do it, does it? Yeah, in retrospect, I'd rather have kept the five points of Learning in exchange for that XP. But again - my character was powerful enough to defeat him in personal combat, so he did. Of course it was also a bit stupid of him. But that's what heroism is about :) (In honesty: I didn't think about that possibility. I've sacrificed him once in my lifetime, with my Druid, and only because I noticed I wouldn't stand a chance fighting him.) You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 5108 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
About roll scumming: Didn't mean to irritate, it's just that I thought you made an unfair comparison. >Currently annoyed because my Druid is so weak. He's stuck >at 11 Learning compared to >priests are loads better than druids (they are), seemed to >have no problem training his 20 Learning to 22 That just seems a bit unfair to the druid class, it makes it seem like they are dumb. Actually, Priests only get 1 point higher learning than druids. If done the other way around, with a priest having LE 11 and a druid having LE 22, (which can certainly happen), the priest would look bad. Rolling ANY spellcaster with LE 11, in my eyes, would be a great hinderance to them. Priests may be better, I don't play them anymore, so I don't know, but a druid with LE 11 is not standard. About the deamon: I thought it made a more sound strategy (for a Lithium man challenge), to sac the greater deamon, so I shared it. You don't have to sac him, I just thought you might not have considered it. Edit to my previous post: I stupidly said that skeletal kings see invisible. Skeletal kings do not see invisible. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/26/2008 at 17:38 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes and 49 seconds ago. |
Oh, I see how that could've been misunderstood. 11 Learning is, if you believe the guidebook, what you would actually expect from a dark elven druid on average. But since the numbers there seem to add up to something which is almost always lower than the actual stats, I'm guessing the life story of the character make for overall better stats, so 11 is probably below average. Yet I'd like to point out that I won with a dwarven druid who had 9 Learning at the beginning of the game. It isn't such a great hindrance if you can fight reasonably in melee, like dwarves of all classes that are not primary *arcane* spellcasters usually can. Priests are better for reasons other than Learning of course. The difference in Learning between the two classes is slight, if it is even there. I was comparing my two current characters here, the Lithium Druid and my priest. I was comparing how well they did individually. I didn't mean to infer from THAT that Druids are worse then priests. Druids are worse than priests mainly because their class powers suck donkey. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 5108 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
I got it into my head (don't ask me how!) that your PC was a GRAY elf, not a dark elf. Yes LE 11 would be a perfecly normal starting stat for a dark elf. Dark elves have MANY other things going for them, to make that LE stat no hinderance. A GRAY elf, with LE 11 would be sub par. That's what I was meaning. The way that I do it is like this, I say that I won't take a gray elf druid with a LE stat of less than 17. The reason I do this, is because I play gray elves for no other reason than their LE stat. Gray elf druids start out with a base of 14, the 'learned' talent at start up makes 15, and an appropriate birth month (or random attribute modification) does the rest. I don't roll scum for (anything like) perfect stats. I certainly wouldn't actually answer 'attribute questions' regardless of the gain. In my experienc, it just takes about 2-4 tries to get 17 or above, and sometimes you get really lucky. Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 1/26/2008 at 23:46 (GMT -5) by gut] |
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vogonpoet Registered user Last page view: 5167 days, 13 hours, 40 minutes and 23 seconds ago. |
This Lithium thing is pretty tough... I had a barbarian get to dwarf town only to receive a Trollish Beserker as my first quest... Not being able to ID stuff without trying it first is a pain when you have so little stuff to begin with... I think the barb died to a chaos night below dwarf town.... Then I had a good looking gnomish wizard who also couldn't id stuff, due to the 3 rivers above dwarf town in the CoC... 3 rivers. All my scrolls were drowned, all my weapons and metal amour was rusty, but there was no where else to go... Kinda frustrating. Damn gnomes can't even swim... Think a spider factory got him in the big room... Am trying gnomish mindcrafters now - managed to get one across the wilderness, but died due to the CoC split vault turning out to be mixed... I had a nice dark elven ranger for a while too, but he had really sad toughness, and at full health and PC level 9, died an instant death to a stone block trap. ADOM eh? Tsk. |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
I'm trying another one, and he looks like he turned out well. Started a random race/class just for fun. Trollish farmer :). Highlights:
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About to tackle fire temple now, which I think will make or break the character. Only one fireproof blanket, might get ugly. Will melee the wyrm, use water orb for healing. Hope my penetrating weapon will finish him quickly. |
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Subconscious Registered user Adventurer of the Human Mind Last page view: 5602 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes and 25 seconds ago. |
Hey hey hey.... What about tomb of the high kings? And if you cant get the ring how you are supposed to deal with the eternal guardian? Kill it? Is it part of the challenge or what? "The white baby dragon equips the small shield." WTF :D |
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Molach Registered user Lord of DurisMud Last page view: 5352 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago. |
Update to my last post (and answer to question above): DIED to eternal guardian. I had gotten the stiff muscles corruption and could not get past him. I tried hitting and then running past to the stairs, but his clone always spawned before I could reach them. I had no teleporting (only random). I tried to have a pet attack, but they died before I could order them to escape. I did manage to kill 6 guardians, getting many levels, but there was no getting past. Finally died to a bunch of criticals. Question: How did I kill 6 guardians in melee? Also I always had TWO of them chasing me at the same time. Answer: Spoiler
Alarm trap on the level. One would walk on it, and they would fight each other with great effort. The victor was then (somewhat) easier to finish off |
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gut Registered user Painted this one too. Last page view: 5108 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes and 35 seconds ago. |
I sometimes like to kill the EG, for the exp. points, but I never try it with a class that has the faster movement class powers. Likewise, if I'm wearing 7lb's, I take them off. They screw with the energy/speed movement system, and just get me killed. With a PC that has slightly better than average speed (and no 'stiff muscles' corruption), killing him is quite safe. Just close and lock the door, then attack the EG while standing to his left (because he likes to be on the right). Once he is next to you, standing in the 9 direction, just repeatedly press the 7 and 3 keys. He will follow you as you move in the 7 and 3 directions, never hitting you, and losing in the energy/speed game all the while. Soon, you will move, and he will not. Just count the number of moves it takes to 'wear him out'. Press the 5 key, so that he comes to stand next to you again. Again move in the 7 and 3 directions as you count to yourself, and when you get to the right number, whack him (poisoning your weapon first, is a HUGE advantage). Don't rely on your original movement count though, because hitting takes less energy than moving, thus ruining the pattern. So after hitting, you have to count the movements again, to see how many movements are needed, for another safe hit. If you are careful, and memorize the patterns well, you can kill many incarnations safely. It is important to note, that every EG generated, will have different patterns, and eventually you will not be able to outrun them. Also, if your speed status changes in the middle of the fight, for satiation reasons, it will mess with the pattern. About the alarm trap, I never thought of that, but it sounds really useful. I wonder if the guardian that was killed by the other, counts on the 'incarnation counter'. If so, then if you killed six, it wasn't the seventh guardian that killed you, but the fourteenth! YIKES! Put me in the 'fool filter', where I belong! |
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