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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
I have some questions and hope you guys can help me. I usually play DE or Gnomish wizards and I was wondering what talents you guys pick? I go for Alert, Learned, Good Learner, Miser, Treasure Hunter, Potent Aura and Good Book Learner. What talents should I choose next? If I learn SoA and book-cast once, so the spell's effectivity is 0, will it last as long as if I casted the spell first to gain some effectivity and then book-cast once? I forgot some of the questions I wanted to ask, I'll post some more when I remember :D For the Horde! |
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Soirana unplugged Unregistered user |
effectiviness in spell helps with duration. you really positive about good learner, learned and good book learner? wizards have good le anyway and affinity too books. personnaly i would pick long stride somewhen. posiibly quick shot line if you plan using slaying ammo. book castings talents are worth to consider, but being wizard you should find enough spellbooks. just my two rusty cents. |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
Well don't I need good learner for book learner? If the answer is no, I won't pick it anymore. Long stride is pretty cool, though. For the Horde! |
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Soira unplugged Unregistered user |
the answer is yes uou do need. if you decide you need book caster. which i doubt for wizard? but i do have horrible times while picking wizard's talensts. |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes and 20 seconds ago. |
Potent Aura - Charged? Isn't that worth taking? You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
Dwarvish Paladin: Miser->Treasure Hunter Long Stride Quick->Defensive Fighter->Dodger shield specialist line->->-> Afterwards I would go for Mele Weapon Master to waste talents mostly. another thing I might consider if I got Potent Aura somehow (potent aura is a starting talent): Potent Aura->Charged Potent Aura->Book Caster line (not for wizards) I would not go Learned or book learner line (read guidebook). I don't know the magical Talents that well so I can't really say much more. Get long-stride early or not at all. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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 Kirbot Registered user BattleHax0r of Devastation Last page view: 6095 days, 14 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds ago. |
I seem to recall that you can get potent aura any time, not just as a starting talent... Molach: "I like to have 200+ hp and over 5 good healin potions when I do [the fire] temple. AND some way of killing the Wyrm" Morio: "Some way of killing the worm is recommended, yes :D" |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
That's true. I almost never get Potent Aura as a starting talent. I usually go for the Learned talent because I hate getting 350 castings from a book... For the Horde! |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
350 castings is pretty good for what my Dwarvish Paladins do (they don't cast spells that much though). "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
With a High Elf or Gnomish wizard with 223-24 learning I usually get 800-900 castings, or more when born in a cup :D, and I like 900 more than 350 :/ especially since I find it very difficult to find spellbooks lately... Yesterday my lv 10 gnomish wizard hadn't found any books except a book of Darkness and one of Stun Ray. For the Horde! |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
I really don't like double posting, but I hate starting new threads and if I just edit my post above nobody will notice and my questions will go unanswered. I love reading .flg's from the HoF, especially those that have an edited .flg and a story. There's lots of things to learn... In one of them, the author wrote this: "She took Thrundarr's holy symbol to the ID where she prayed for holy slayers until the gods ignored her." Now why would she do that? What's the point? Text taken from: here. For the Horde! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 5/22/2007 at 08:20 (GMT -5) by Mewto] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Ah, well, this is extremely spoily, and personally I consider it to be a horribly dirty tactic, even worse than gremlin bombs. There's a bug in the game (discovered through code-diving) so that if you have negative enough piety it loops round, and you'll end up with stupidly high piety. So if you do something to piss off the gods enough you'll end up extremely favoured. One way to do this is to keep praying, first causing the ground to rumble and later causing the god to get really annoyeed and summon holy/grey/black slayers. You can deal with these bad boys by running up and down the stairs in ID whenevber they're generated, or standing on a lone ice square in the barbarian's lake. Keep praying to piss off the god and eventually you'll end up looping the integer round and getting high piety, which can be used to get numerous pre/postcrowns. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
ROFL, I've heard of the bug before, just never thought about doing it. That dirt sonofa... he got precrowned so easily :( I guess it was faster than saccing monsters. For the Horde! |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes and 1 second ago. |
if you ever try this you will get what saccing monsters actually is easier. and less dangeours. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
Maybe you're right, that char prayed ~830 to get precrowned two times. But with a mindcrafter she could confuse them if they got too close. I'll have to try that one time, but I think it's too much trouble. For the Horde! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
In my opinion it's exploiting a bug and cheating. If you want a precrown you should do it the hard way. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
No arguing there... For the Horde! |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 4109 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
allthough you could piss off one god to make the others happier "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes and 1 second ago. |
don't forget before summoning you go through item desrtuctin/bolts. in my experience it isonly a couple balls butt still. method of frozen island with neutral char seems to be best. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 4109 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
item destruction/cursing can be avoided by wearing/wielding only artifacts, and always have a blessed scroll of uncursing and drop it before beginning "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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F50 Registered user Last page view: 5686 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes and 38 seconds ago. |
Its not holy/black slayers according to the GB. Solars and Ki'rins were mentioned there. "If the bread weights that much in the draklor chain, then it's no wonder so many die of starvation. AND - what kind of IRON RATION weights as much as an iron shield?! A dinner for four, oven included? ;)" -Maelstrom |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes and 1 second ago. |
and great daemons for chaotics. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Morio Registered user Holy Champion of ADoM Last page view: 4109 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
F50, where exactly did you read that the god would summon ki-rins (that would really be a pain? These are the correct summons Lawful: Solar Neutral: Spectres Chaotic: Greater Daemons "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 with be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein |
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Maelstrom Registered user The Knight of the Black Rose Last page view: 3328 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes and 22 seconds ago. |
Spectres? I seem to remember holy slayer from my neutral god. (You can check, holy slayers are neutral), they can smash doors and surprise you on your first try with a wand of door creation in the ID... - acctually, they just surprised me ;) A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist sees a light at the end of that tunnel. A realist sees a train. And the train driver sees three idiots on the tracks. [Edited 1 time, last edit on 5/23/2007 at 12:35 (GMT -5) by Maelstrom] |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
Ok, need some help with my current char now. Very lucky in the beginning, found two RoDS in a shop. Anyway, a lich king drained my St like crazy in the CoC graveyard. I'm a DE druid, with 29 St, 23 Le, 19 Wi, 27 Dx, 14 To and 34 Ma. 29 St with Executor and GoGS +13 (wish). I have 7LB's, but no offensive spells. So I'm lv 20, and I just looted Blup's mum apartment. She's pissed, but I covered the whole place in Darkness. It takes about 60 sec of constantly pressing the right arrow to get her to seriously wounded, and then she teleports away. Now I have to find a way to kill her, because I need some XP really fast. Already cleaned Darkforge (first time I don't get an artifact in there), the Tomb, Gremlin Cave, DD, UD, dwarven graveyard and the lower levels of the assassin guild. That lich king in the CoC graveyard really kicks ass, and I have only 1 Burning Hands castings left... I have 41/23 while bloated on Normal tactics settings, 160 HP and 222 PP. While on berserk, I have +51 bonus to hit and 5d6+32 melee damage with Executor. Oh, I have lv 3 crossbows and 7 quarrels of dragon slaying. But I don't think I should use them, she'd probably blow me away in her first ranged attack. So what do I do? I really need the XP to level up a little, I have to do the Fire temple soon, it's already day 74. I've got 7 SoCR, 2 PoCC and the you are very light corruption. I'm hoping to get crowned really soon, I already sacced about 40k, the ACW, Black Torc, Big Punch and the Phial and still nothing. For the Horde! [Edited 1 time, last edit on 5/23/2007 at 17:09 (GMT -5) by Mewto] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Well, first of all you really need to improve your stats. I can't believe as a druid you haven't abused herbs :P Some morgia roots are vitally needed to get your toughness higher, and it wouldn't hurt to imrpove your Dex and Wi either. Your St without equipment on is 13? Well then you can easily get that higher just by taking the equipment off and walking around Strained. Eating the likes of giant corpses without the items equipped would also increase your strength. Otherwise the rest of your stats are fairly solid. You could do with more DV too. Do you have a decent shield? What are your shield marks like? Do you have the Tactics skill to make your DV better on Coward? Any decent armour in DarkForge? I'd say give up on the water dragon for now. She'd kill you outside of darkness, and you probably wouldn't hit her with your ammo anyway (train your crossbows more!) You may wish to try some wands on her though - acid and poison do decent damage when they're not shrugged off. If you want xp then you might want to go for the Rift. You'll get spellbooks there too obviously. But for some offensive spells right now then the best thing to do is go to the ID. You should find a decent amount of spellbooks randomly without having to go to any dangerous or corrupting levels. Can't understand why you wouldn't get crowned after saccing all those artifacts. Did you try praying? Are you the right alignment? Were you wearing Executor at the time? (can't get crowned if you're cursed or doomed) Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
Believe it or not, the only herbs I found were in the Big Room, and I don't like spending too much time there, the summoners are a pain in the a$$. But I'll give it a try, now that I have rings of invisibility. My St is so low because some monsters drained my St from 17... and I drank from some pools which didn't help. I got Lordly Might (SoA) fairly early, I usually carry around 9-10k stones of equipment with me, so I couldn't train it. I haven't met too many giants yet, I only got like 4 corpses from the Ogre cave. I have lv8 in shields, and a medium crystal shield [+9, +4]. Except a white dragon scale mail, no decent armor in DarkForge. I have a black dragon scale mail, but it has the same stats: (-2, -4) [-2, +11]. I've already tried using a wand of poison on her while in Darkness, but I think she shrugged them off. After I sacced the crown of science, my aligment went from N+ to L... so that was the reason. I wasn't wearing Executor or anything cursing. On the first level of the Assassin's Guild, a neutral altar was generated. I took off my Ring of Invisibility, and put on a ring of doom, but even after about 40 sacrifices I was still only very close (and when I sacced the first monster I was very close!), and I tried praying without the ring of doom, but no success. I sold about 5k stones of weapons and armor in the HMV shop, but I only got 3k :( I sold some other junk in the shop in Dwarftown for 1k... I don't know where to sell my stuff now. I have 20k left and I really need a crowning, I'm eating food like crazy. Thank God for 7LB's. I think I'll go to the ID, I'm thinking no deeper than ID10. I already saw quite a lot of vortices at ID5, and other nasty monsters. Another question: What is the purpose of the amulet of cold heart? Why would anyone want to lower their charisma? That means higher shop prices when buying, right? For the Horde! |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 10 seconds ago. |
Saccing CoS brought you to L? Wowzers! To get a crowning you need 70 livesacs or about 100k gold. Alternatively about 70 blessed stomafillias would do the trick, or any combination of the 3. You might want to pacify the big room and spend some time farming herbs and training your stats. I don't see why you're carrying around that much equipment - stop being a packrat and train your St a bit! Not sure why your food consumption is so high either. How many artifacts are you wearing, and are you actually wearing that ring of Invis constantly? Corruption starts at ID10, so don't go deeper than 9. I'm pretty sure all spellbooks can be generated on ID1 anyway. Amulet of the cold heart gives cold resistance - pretty useless. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Mewto Registered user Last page view: 3810 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes and 37 seconds ago. |
Well I died (big surprise there). I foolishly wanted to meet MaLaKaI, and got owned by a black unicorn on ID39. He was very experienced, I think, I managed to get him to moderately injured before he hit a critical and brought me from ~120 to -11. Nice. The only offensive spell I found was a book of Nether Bolt, I guess I was just unlucky. Lots of books of Bless and Cure [] Wounds. I sacced the CoS in Dwarftown, I was at N+ and it brought me to L or LN, I don't remember. But my god cursed my inventory, so it doesn't matter. I was usually wearing the ankh, ring of invisibility, Executor and the Elemental Gauntlets. I carried that much junk around because I needed $$ to get a crowning and train with Garth. Ah well, I'll stop playing DE for a while. A tip: If you get a ring shop generated on UD8, wait for it to restock lots of times. I found a RoDS in it, waited for it to restock and found another RoDS. Insane :) For the Horde! |
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Silfir Registered user Writer of Overly Long Guides Last page view: 4279 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes and 20 seconds ago. |
The crown of science thing happened to me too. It seems you get a large lawful boost for saccing it while neutral... Would have to be tested. You drop the golden ball. You kick the golden ball. It slides to the west. Suddenly Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, appears! "That's not how you play Quidditch! are you even listening?" Which direction? (123456789) 4 Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is hit by a bolt of acid! Harry Potter, the apprentice wizard, is annihilated. You hear the ecstatic cries of a large crowd! |
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