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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
now i am playing hurtling necromancer who made some oaths: never wield shield, don't use weapons in melee and don't use any kind of comat magic - neither spells, nore offensive alchemy, wands, crystals etc. thought should be chalenging but apperared not too much. i basicaly got nonstop stream of spellbooks ending in nearly all noncombat spells. greater identify and wish are still missing:) early precrown with whirlwind. picked ironfist out of some zombie's pockets. obviously DV is a problem so i'm looking forward to play with smithing. and i guess i'll have to use bridge building. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 20 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Does it count as combat magic if you're not using it for combat? Like using fire for cooking corpses and destroying webs. Also, are you keeping wands out of the question? Will be cool if you become good with the necro's Shadow Touch. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
wands are definetly out of question. so is combat magic in any form. i already made discount to myself on wielding weapons becouse of smithing. and cooking is out of problem. char is hurtling:) i'm more missing freezing water. especially one lake with hungry fishes... p.s. very standard question what should i use RoDS for. Khelly is saved. 7Lb- four pairs. blue and red dragon scale mails, rings of ice all intersting spellbooks - all in posession. since i'm not aiming at ultra keeping wish for late game doesn't sound reasonable. i see two options - girdle of giant strength since i need bonus of to damage, or dodge skill which in the end could give me about extra 10DV on all scroll defenses/smithing efforts. temporarily DV seems bigger problem. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/21/2007 at 11:26 (GMT -5) by Soirana] |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Well, if DV is necessary Bug Temple could be done, provided your DV is good enough already, though I would wish the dodge skill, or better yet, take a chance of getting the dodge skill and find weakness by wishing for 'pairs of potion of education', but it'd be safter just wishing for the dodge skill. What level are you anyway? I'm assuming you're around level 20-30 if you've gotten all that stuff already. Why don't you just build bridges for the lake, though if you are lacking strength+good bridge building skill it could take awhile....sounds like a neat char "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
Bug temple would be suicide. i can hardly squeeze 50DV on coward:( (well i actually can do more if shooting stunned nasty monsters while wielding halberd of defense for extra 18 DV, but it is so unfare) wishing for pairs of potions is sort of funny. wishing for potions is enough to guarantee plurality and scrolls are better. they serve as sample for magical writing sets. i just happen to have none:( lv21 and suck in bridge building. i guess playing with wands of monster creation/summon monster spell is better. a couple of ice vorteces could get the job done. problem with girdle - it comes in singleton and gets destroyed in worst times possible. problem with dodge -- i might wanna switch to pv line. i've just got crazy idea. wishing for emperor moloch. after goblin bomb in DH i have reasonable amount of Daemon slaying ammo. which would mean easy level up + possible moloch armour for PV line (i think i would end with close tonegative DV on berserk but who cares). + i possibly could squeeze out a couple postcrowns with casino money. primary bypassing dwaven graveyard and high king tomb. there are some disadvantages. primary ACW is even worse then i enter this as LV50 char. and some other guys too (Earth temple springs to mind). and i think i might get problems with maxing my skills out. on other hand having near 1k spell points in both magic map and teleport could let me bypass most of fights except orbs and d50. and if i somehow allow myself use wand of destruction on gate handles D50 could be done in style of teleporting guys away, luring balor from his place, pushing handle and destroying it. must be hardest choice for RoDS in a long time. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/21/2007 at 15:53 (GMT -5) by Soirana] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 20 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
I wouldn't risk the wish on EM - if it backfires you'll regret it. Dodge and GoGS are both good wishes. But how easily could you get Dodge to skill level 100? Personally I'd go with the girdle, I think. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
I would go with EM, exp is always desirable. Don't yell at me when your char gets killed though:D "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Wait, you could wish for quickling bard in SMC,kill the Quickling Lords, and make yourself some beastly slaves.But it seems as if your actual char is weak so I guess that the stats/exp would be better...quite perplexing I hate it when I have a wish and I don't know what to do with it, because I either: Die while carrying it, even though I could've wished for something to prevent death... Wish too hastily, and end up in a dire situation where I would've needed something from a wish So in conclusion, I would advise NOT to use the wish, and save it for an IMMEDIATE emergency. Just make sure not to enter the water in water temple gathering rocks like me and drown while having a RoDS....stupid me "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
yeap i may die from one hit of GM. and geting dodge early is whole point in maxing it out somewhen. basically it allows taking dodger so it is even more than 10DV in the end game. so i went for dodge and have put some serious effort in smithing. now i reached 52/37 on normal. what is sort of bearable. edit: being lucky bastard i got second RoDS. +12 strength really helps in killing stuff. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/21/2007 at 22:40 (GMT -5) by Soirana] |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Yeah, you are a lucky bastard;D So then the next wish would probably be something like SoCR(if you're chaotic) What is your alignment anyways? Your restrictions didn't disprove of slaves, would be very helpful, because if you want even more DV, get one or two quickling lord skeletal warrior slaves, and they'll kill all the bugs for you easily, corpses for the taking. Of course if you don't have any morgia roots, then the temple is out of the question....wait, you really don't need Willpower do you, since you don't use spells I think... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
I'm not really sure for what kind of char I should try for my next win, but I do know the following: Play as completely fighter(no spells, except healing in a healer's instance) No wish engine Slay every monster:D So I have the idea of doing an orcish(never have tried orcs before), char, since they have fast regenation. Either healer, barbarian, or assasin. I'll be chaotic since I have to kill every monster, will miss out on jharod's ultra healing potions since I won't change alignment, or I could just forget the whole kill every monster thing... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
my alignment used to be neutral. luckily i didn't get crowned becouse i suspected that shadow touch drives straight into the chaos. and i have done upper part of bug temple. just me and faithfull bow of hunting. speed is over 200 with RotMC and speedy coruption. i didn't said i don't use spells. stun ray, darkness, invisibilty, strength of atlass... helps a lot. p.s. and wishing for Dodge was rather stupid. skill refuses to go up at all... edit: guess what i was crowned with... Vanquisher. second time ever. and no chance of using it. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) [Edited 1 time, last edit on 2/22/2007 at 07:57 (GMT -5) by Soirana] |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 20 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Yeah, I expected you'd have that trouble with Dodge. Best way to train it is avoiding arrows from barbarians in the wildnerness - your PV will protect you fine. As for Vanquisher, you could always use it as a missile weapon ;) Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
good advice, but slightly too late:) Char has already won game. with lizards siting on chaos gates handles. as i suspected moloch armour saved deal. i ended in nearly 120PV. berserking whole time and keeping happy about thorns on my hands. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Congrats:D If I were you, I would've just screw'd the challenge and use vanquisher, but of course that would defeat the purpose of the challenge now, wouldn't it:D Would Vanquisher still have the same slaying capabilities as a missile weapon instead of a melee weapon?Would be good if you could somehow find multiple of the same artifact, but I would like Thunder Stroke and True Aim to come in packs of 3 at least.... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
I have a challenge for you Soirana: Play entire game on coward while naked completely:D Doubt that it would even be possible... "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
thanks a lot but i will pick my challenges by myself. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Well, I've been letting fate decide for what race/class combo I'm going to try to win with next...dwarvish archer got pretty good. I was just going to screw around, but turns out he did okay for messing around: I killed a couple dogs in wilderness, then killed Hotzy and gang for exp, then did Kranach, and Puppy cave too late, by 2 hours:( Found orcish spear of devastation in orc vault. Didn't get healing since I was screwing around Went to D-town, got quests Go down to spider vault, I ID stuff with Blessed SoI, and I have a RoDS!Accidentally type "red dragon" instead of 'red dragon scale mail' and got killed by it:( I was going to post this in untimely deaths, but I forgot to get memorial file. By far my dumbest death... But now I'm trying drakelings, never have really tried them seriously before. Drakeling Priest works ok, going to try drakish wizard or drakish paladin too. What would be the easiest drakeling class, besides healer? "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 20 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Priest is what I'd say is best - tough, but good at magic, with doubly trained music to deal with cats. Drakelings make good mindcrafters too - the spit ability is extremely useful in the early game for dealing with nasties. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
What should I do first in the game?What I've been trying is this: Go to ID for a couple levels, also spellbooks. Try to do Kranach provided I have offensive spells. Get pickpockets Go to PC/UD to go get blessed stethoscope and if I have healing spell, get PoUH from Jharod early. But the main problem I have with Drakish Priests is that they just don't get good DV/PV, I never seem to find shields. Should I just start in SMC and go to HMV in early game instead? "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Darren Grey Registered user Last page view: 4450 days, 5 hours, 20 minutes and 12 seconds ago. |
Well, equipment finds are a matter of luck. I tend to find there's better equipment in the druid dungeon than the village dungeon, but that means giving up on PoUH. Going straight to UD is risky, but if you feel strong enough then go ahead. I'd personally recommend getting some offensive spellbooks in the ID first, then going to the UD. Waldenbrook, the dwarven shopkeeper, mumbles: "I'd offer 9 gold pieces for yer dwarven child corpse." |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Ummm....I did have that in my list Darren:D "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Boy, I'm not having much luck lately. I've given up on drakelings, don't really have any major strengths. So I've been trying gnomish mindcrafter, pretty good combo, stronger than elves, but still not strong. My last one got to level 11, had done Kranach,killed Hotzy,and explored all of UD except UD:7, where Yriggs is. Well, I went down to the last level for the first time, and what do you know: a kobold chieftain/gray ooze tension room, blocking my way to next room. So I equip two shields and kick about 5 oozes dead, but used 1 prayer, and didn't even sac anything yet. So I run for stairs after gathering a hard girdle, and put it on upstairs...it was a cursed girdle of carrying! So, I waited for 2 days to consume all of my food, then went up to kill Hotzy and others for lots of cash to buy the scroll of uncursing in Barnabas' shop, and he was a gnome for once too! So I did that, went back, and got raped by the oozes....in retrospect, I shouldn't have wasted time wanting to eat all the food, I should've just dropped it, and I should've gone to puppy cave for some exp, then tried to kill the oozes with maybe a better weapon than my crude knife of might or broadsword...dang, this was my best mindcrafter too. I like gnomes since they can mine and have gemology, overall, gnomes are probably best race IMHO.But while I'm on the topic of best, what do you guys think is the best race or race/class combo?(Overall,an archmage doesn't count, wishes aside) "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
really depends on where you put stress on. early game or late. still sort of wizard. possibly gnome. but something like gray elven archer is very good both early and late game. A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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Some guy Registered user I'm baaaack. Last page view: 5814 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
Well, I finished my mindcrafter and submitted it to HOF for the heck of it. Most of my characters aren't submitted and I've lost the flg files, so I might as well start trying to preserve them. It could take weeks for another HOF update, so I'll just throw my flg on here. I hope that's okay. After a solid collection of wins, and about a year of not playing Adom, I decided to come back and give it another shot. So far, after winning a game, I've taken the winning races and classes out of my choices for the next game. This left me with only two race choices - high elf and gray elf - which are the same race anyway. I had always meant to try a mindcrafter, so I started making gray elven mindcrafters, and sent them to their inevitable deaths. My last four games were special endings, so I decided to just close the gate as a simple change of pace. This would allow me to avoid all the constraints that come with ultra endings: first kill pickiness, ordering and timing your actions, alignment switches, a treasure trove of obscure items, exclusive spear usage (though I always use them anyway), etc. However, in the end I found that I actually prefer the structure that ultra endings force you to follow. A regular game feels like playing in a sandbox, in that you're only required to raid several locations and the rest don't significantly affect the course of the game. Still, playing with mindcrafters for the first time was entertaining. I'd always heard that mindcrafters are the most effective class for clearing a (non-undead) greater vault, so naturally I didn't come across a single greater vault in this playthrough. The best chance I had to play with mental waves was in the fifth level of the blue dragon caves, and even that didn't really live up to my expectations - partly because it takes so long for one wave to finish its animation (boring!). Still, I was surprised by how greater telekinetic blast works, and the flexibility it provides in targetting makes it my favorite offensive spell of all time. With it, you can essentially shoot unnerring arrows at any monster in your sight. 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Good thing I'm elven. Star sign: Candle Birthday: 9/Candle (day 279 of the year) -I didn't birthscum, but all my non-Candle characters died before HMV for various reasons. YOUR HISTORY: Your parents are travelling adventurers. Both are competent, talented and doing very well. As a child your parents cared a lot for you. Despite all circumstances you enjoyed a happy and fine childhood. As a kid you often watched the adult adventurers preparing for new exciting journeys. They sparked your imagination. Your path was always clearly lying before you. You knew about your destiny since your earliest years and fortunately your grandfather supported your wishes. You managed to find a competent trainer and began your studies. You decided to become a Mindcrafter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inventory ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total weight: 10720 stones Carrying capacity: 10938 stones He: blessed rustproof crown of regeneration [+9, +9] [55s] Ne: uncursed ankh [3s] Bo: blessed red dragon scale mail (-1, -4) [+5, +16] [220s] Gi: blessed mithril girdle [+7, +7] [20s] Cl: blessed cloak of defense [+6, +5] [20s] RH: blessed rustproof orcish spear of devastation (+6, 5d8+8) [+2, +0][75s] -I found this in Darkforge, so I shined it up and kept it sharpened. LH: uncursed medium obsidian shield "Protector" [+20, +4] {To+2} [46s] RR: uncursed ring of the master cat [+0, +5] {Dx+16} (+16 spd) [1s] LR: uncursed ring of slaying (+9 melee damage, +6 missile damage) [1s] Br: blessed bracers of toughness [+3, +5] {To+7} [10s] Ga: blessed rustproof gauntlets of strength (-1, +0) [+5, +5] {St+3} [40s] Bo: blessed seven league boots [+6, +6] [30s] MW: blessed long bow of accuracy (+10, +2) [30s] Mi: bundle of 87 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [174s] Tl: blessed dwarven pick axe "Hammerhead" (+2, 2d10+4) [+2, +2] {To+3}[90s] -I've become addicted to smithing. However, nothing ruins a nice set of armor like extremely experienced chaos servants. My girdle had 11 PV I believe, and my first red dragon scale mail got knocked to 3 PV. I had a [+12, +7] pair of gauntlets of strength before an annihilator grabbed hold of them. I didn't actually have to use many ingots to get that result, I was just really lucky. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total weight: 9905 stones Carrying capacity: 10938 stones Helmets ('[') blessed rustproof helm of teleportation [+0, +4] [50s] -This was my best mode of teleporting, and my best PV helmet for most of the game. uncursed helm of water breathing [+0, +1] [30s] uncursed crown of science [+4, +8] {Le+9} [65s] blessed crown of leadership [+2, +7] {Ch+18} [65s] Armor ('[') uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s] uncursed elven chain mail [+3, +5] [10s] blessed eternium plate mail (-1, -2) [+6, +12] [240s] -More smithing damage, it used to have 17 PV. blessed eternium plate mail (-1, -2) [-1, +15] [240s] Gauntlets ('[') uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s] blessed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +1] [15s] uncursed thick gauntlets (+0, -1) [+0, +1] [15s] Cloaks ('[') blessed cloak of adornment [+2, +4] {Ap+4} [40s] uncursed cloak of invisibility (-1, +0) [+1, +0] [30s] uncursed cloak of protection [+0, +3] [20s] Girdles ('[') blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s] uncursed eternium girdle [+6, +3] [12s] Boots ('[') blessed eternium boots [+5, +5] [55s] Necklaces (''') blessed amulet of petrification resistance [3s] blessed amulet of order [3s] uncursed amulet of light [3s] blessed amulet of free action [3s] blessed necklace of the eye [3s] uncursed amulet of balance [3s] blessed amulet of death ray resistance [7s] uncursed amulet of protection from constructs [3s] uncursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+5} [3s] blessed amulet of water breathing [3s] Bracers (',') blessed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+6} [10s] One-handed weapons ('(') uncursed orcish dagger (+3, 2d3+5) [10s] -This is one of those "bloody daggers". They're very rare, and VERY useful in the early game. I was lucky to find one. uncursed mithril long sword of hunting (+2, 1d8+3) [32s] -I got a giant slug corpse with this sword and no food preservation. That's luck. blessed dwarven rune axe "Rolf's Companion" (+3, 3d6+6) [+4, +4] {To+3} uncursed lead-filled mace "Big Punch" (+1, 8d5+3) [-6, +0] [800s] uncursed sword of Nonnak (+2, 4d3+2) [+2, +2] {Wi+5} [80s] uncursed phase dagger (+3, 1d4+2) [5s] uncursed black rune-covered dagger "Needle" (+8, 3d4) [+4, +1] [10s] uncursed emerald dagger "Serpent's Bite" (+3, 3d4+3) [+3, +1] [13s] Two-handed weapons ('(') uncursed glaive "Long Sting" (+4, 7d3) [+4, +0] {Pe+6} (+6 spd) [100s] uncursed scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle" (+6, 10d4+6) [+2, +2] [70s] uncursed axe of the minotaur emperor (+12, 3d20+16) [-6, +4] [1200s] blessed rune-covered trident (+6, 3d12+6) [+4, +4] {Dx+12} [80s] uncursed quicksilver quarterstaff (+6, 5d3+5) [+3, +0] (+20 spd) [20s] Missile weapons ('}') uncursed long bow of accuracy (+8, +2) [30s] blessed heavy crossbow of accuracy (+8, +3) [140s] *Snipped missiles/tools* Instruments ('{') uncursed glockenspiel [120s] Rings ('=') uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+1} [1s] uncursed ring of ice [1s] blessed ring of immunity [1s] blessed ring of the High Kings [+2, +3] [1s] blessed ring of ice [1s] heap of 3 uncursed rings of regeneration [3s] uncursed ring of see invisible [1s] blessed ring of invisibility [1s] uncursed ring of slaying (+9 melee damage, +6 missile damage) [1s] blessed ring of mental stability [-2, +1] {Le+2} [1s] blessed ring of djinni summoning [1s] heap of 19 uncursed rings of fire resistance [19s] -Exchange dipping, with no luck. uncursed ring of weakness [1s] uncursed ring of djinni summoning [1s] -By the late game, I feel that anything I can wish for is less useful than the wish itself. Wands ('\') blessed wand of trap creation (10 charges) [3s] blessed wand of fire (1 charge) [4s] uncursed wand of door creation (7 charges) [3s] blessed wand of wonder (0 charges) [3s] blessed wand of fireballs (12 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of destruction (4 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of light (12 charges) [4s] blessed wand of monster detection (4 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of item detection (3 charges) [3s] blessed wand of teleportation (6 charges) [4s] uncursed wand of trap detection (1 charge) [3s] uncursed wand of paralyzation (6 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of digging (3 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of teleportation (2 charges) [4s] uncursed wand of lightning (2 charges) [4s] uncursed wand of lightning (1 charge) [4s] uncursed wand of ball lightning (3 charges) [4s] uncursed wand of item detection (1 charge) [3s] uncursed wand of door creation (2 charges) [3s] blessed wand of door creation (4 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of digging (0 charges) [3s] blessed wand of far slaying (3 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of door creation (2 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of monster creation (6 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of monster creation (8 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of stunning (6 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of digging (5 charges) [3s] blessed wand of magic missiles (6 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of acid (0 charges) [4s] uncursed wand of trap detection (7 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of earthquakes (2 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of lightning (4 charges) [4s] uncursed wand of digging (5 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of webbing (8 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of trap creation (9 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of trap creation (10 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of poison (10 charges) [3s] cursed wand of webbing (9 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of light (11 charges) [4s] blessed wand of monster creation (6 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of knocking (2 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of gold detection (2 charges) [6s] uncursed wand of magic missiles (8 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of monster creation (8 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of stunning (6 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges) [3s] cursed wand of door creation (0 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of magic missiles (8 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of trap creation (2 charges) [3s] blessed wand of cold (0 charges) [4s] Potions ('!') heap of 20 potions of holy water [80s] uncursed oil of rust removal [2s] heap of 7 blessed oils of rust removal [14s] heap of 22 uncursed potions of booze [88s] heap of 7 uncursed potions of boost toughness [14s] heap of 7 uncursed potions of boost strength [14s] heap of 3 uncursed potions of insight [6s] heap of 3 uncursed potions of confusion [6s] heap of 3 uncursed potions of boost speed [6s] heap of 9 uncursed potions of extra healing [18s] heap of 4 uncursed potions of blindness [8s] heap of 4 uncursed potions of ultra healing [8s] blessed potion of insight [2s] uncursed phial of Caladriel [2s] heap of 4 blessed potions of extra healing [8s] heap of 5 uncursed potions of boost learning [10s] heap of 7 uncursed potions of oil [14s] heap of 7 uncursed potions of boost dexterity [14s] blessed potion of ultra healing [2s] blessed potion of boost perception [2s] heap of 3 uncursed potions of boost perception [6s] heap of 2 blessed potions of boost toughness [4s] blessed potion of boost dexterity [2s] heap of 3 blessed potions of booze [12s] heap of 3 blessed potions of cure corruption [6s] blessed potion of boost strength [2s] heap of 16 uncursed potions of water [64s] heap of 2 uncursed potions of raw mana [4s] blessed potion of boost learning [2s] cursed potion of raw mana [2s] uncursed potion of cure corruption [2s] heap of 2 uncursed potions of boost charisma [4s] potion of unholy water [4s] cursed potion of boost strength [2s] uncursed potion of boost mana [2s] cursed potion of booze [4s] uncursed potion of potential toughness [4s] cursed potion of boost charisma [2s] uncursed potion of wonder [2s] Scrolls ('?') heap of 27 uncursed scrolls of power [54s] heap of 5 uncursed scrolls of repair [10s] heap of 10 uncursed scrolls of light [20s] heap of 15 uncursed scrolls of darkness [30s] heap of 9 uncursed scrolls of item detection [18s] heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of peace [4s] heap of 7 uncursed scrolls of charging [14s] heap of 19 uncursed scrolls of great identify [38s] heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of monster detection [8s] heap of 3 blessed scrolls of repair [6s] heap of 5 uncursed scrolls of increase melee damage [10s] heap of 6 uncursed scrolls of balance [12s] heap of 7 blessed scrolls of chaos resistance [14s] -Never used one. heap of 24 uncursed scrolls of identify [48s] heap of 7 blessed scrolls of identify [14s] heap of 17 uncursed scrolls of uncursing [34s] heap of 3 blessed scrolls of uncursing [6s] blessed scroll of item detection [2s] heap of 5 uncursed scrolls of luck [10s] heap of 5 uncursed scrolls of magic mapping [10s] blessed scroll of monster detection [2s] heap of 3 blessed scrolls of great identify [6s] blessed scroll of balance [2s] blessed scroll of darkness [2s] blessed scroll of charging [2s] blessed scroll of magic mapping [2s] -I found TONS of these, which made the minotaur maze incredibly easy. uncursed scroll of teleportation [2s] blessed scroll of light [2s] cursed scroll of identify [2s] cursed scroll of power [2s] cursed scroll of increase melee accuracy [2s] heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of satiation [4s] uncursed scroll of protection [2s] -Also, I found very many (well, eight-ish) scrolls of danger, which I didn't think were worth carrying. If only I could give one scroll each to eight other characters. Books ('"') uncursed spellbook of Light [100s] uncursed spellbook of Strength of Atlas [100s] -After abusing potions/wands of wonder, these were the only spells I felt were worth bookcasting. Food ('%') heap of 12 uncursed stomacemptia herbs [24s] heap of 8 uncursed curaria mancox herbs [16s] heap of 2 blessed curaria mancox herbs [4s] heap of 4 blessed stomacemptia herbs [8s] heap of 24 blessed spenseweeds [48s] heap of 85 uncursed cooked lizards [255s] Valuables ('$') 100000 gold pieces [1000s] Gems ('*') heap of 12 uncursed crystals of power [12s] heap of 8 blessed crystals of power [8s] heap of 34 uncursed crystals of darkness [34s] heap of 32 uncursed crystals of light [32s] heap of 6 uncursed crystals of health [6s] blessed crystal of health [1s] heap of 13 uncursed crystals of fire [13s] heap of 2 blessed crystals of light [2s] blessed crystal of fire [1s] heap of 5 uncursed crystals of knowledge [5s] -Why do I collect gems? Aside from knowledge and power I never used any of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weapon Skills ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks --------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- -------------- Unarmed fighting 2 +2 +0 +0 basic 39 Daggers & knives 9 +9 +5 +2 excellent 168 Clubs & hammers 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 15 Maces & flails 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25 Swords 5 +3 +2 +1 skilled 167 Axes 11 +10 +8 +3 Mastery 486 -Yeah, I used Rolf's axe for a while. Whips 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25 Pole arms 14 +18 +11 +20 Mastery 11238 Twohanded weapons 1 +1 +1 +0 basic 25 Staves 3 +3 +0 +3 basic 65 Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks --------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- -------------- Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7 Bows 9 +18 +13 +3 excellent 523 Crossbows 7 +14 +10 +2 skilled 143 Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7 Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7 Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7 Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7 Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7 Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks --------------------- --- --- ------------- -------------- Shields 12 +24 Mastery 1299 Damage caused with your melee weapons: -------------------------------------- Right hand: +120 bonus to hit, 5d8+54 damage Damage caused with your missile weapons: ---------------------------------------- Ammunition: 87, base range: 19, +77 bonus to hit, 1d6+45 damage ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skills ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Backstabbing .............100 (superb) [+4d4] Bridge building .......... 50 (fair) [+1d5] (mr) -I've never used this skill for a practical purpose. Not ever. Climbing .................100 (superb) [+1] Concentration ............100 (superb) [+2d4] Courage ..................100 (superb) [+4d4] Detect traps ............. 88 (great) [+1] Dodge .................... 83 (great) [+1] Find weakness ............100 (superb) [+1] -I could have saved Khelevastar, but wished for this instead. I definitely made the right choice, as I never needed a SoCR. First aid ................ 92 (superb) [+1] Gemology .................100 (superb) [+3d3] Haggling ................. 97 (superb) [+1d5] Healing ..................100 (superb) [+1d5] -I almost always do the herbalism quest, so I did this one as a change. Herbalism ................100 (superb) [+1] Law ......................100 (superb) [+1d3] Listening ................100 (superb) [+1d5] Literacy .................100 (superb) [+2d4] Music .................... 95 (superb) [+1] Necromancy ............... 55 (good) [+1d3] -Hooray for potions of education. Pick pockets .............100 (superb) [+3d4] Smithing .................100 (superb) [+1] Stealth ..................100 (superb) [+1] Swimming .................100 (superb) [+1d3] Tactics ..................100 (superb) [+1] Two weapon combat ........ 66 (good) [+1d3] Ventriloquism ............ 66 (good) [+1d5] -Hooray for potions of education. -Gray elven mindcrafters have a terrible skill list when they start. This is the best I could make it into. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spells ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Acid Ball : 20, 63pp (Effectivity: +0) Acid Bolt : 17, 27pp (Effectivity: +0) Bless : 2, 15pp (Effectivity: +0) Burning Hands : 9, 15pp (Effectivity: +0) Calm Monster : 13, 14pp (Effectivity: +0) Create Item : 11, 472pp (Effectivity: +0) Cure Critical Wounds: 13, 28pp (Effectivity: +0) Cure Light Wounds : 9, 9pp (Effectivity: +0) Cure Serious Wounds : 7, 19pp (Effectivity: +0) Darkness : 222, 4pp (Effectivity: +2) -The only spellbook I attempted to read. Death Ray : 10, 190pp (Effectivity: +0) Destroy Undead : 6, 15pp (Effectivity: +0) Disarm Trap : 26, 17pp (Effectivity: +0) Farsight : 11, 32pp (Effectivity: +0) Fire Bolt : 5, 19pp (Effectivity: +0) Fireball : 20, 36pp (Effectivity: +0) Frost Bolt : 7, 23pp (Effectivity: +0) Improved Fireball : 9, 57pp (Effectivity: +0) Invisibility : 17, 18pp (Effectivity: +0) Knock : 13, 22pp (Effectivity: +0) Light : 37, 4pp (Effectivity: +1) Lightning Ball : 6, 58pp (Effectivity: +0) Lightning Bolt : 9, 22pp (Effectivity: +0) Magic Lock : 12, 15pp (Effectivity: +0) Magic Map : 8, 76pp (Effectivity: +0) Magic Missile : 29, 13pp (Effectivity: +1) Mystic Shovel : 23, 177pp (Effectivity: +0) Neutralize Poison : 4, 19pp (Effectivity: +0) Remove Curse : 8, 96pp (Effectivity: +0) Slow Monster : 25, 12pp (Effectivity: +0) Strength of Atlas : 1, 19pp (Effectivity: +0) Stun Ray : 14, 14pp (Effectivity: +0) Web : 6, 23pp (Effectivity: +0) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Her further life: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- After she leaves the Drakalor Chain she is welcomed by her people with great honors. They acknowledge her noble deeds, her valor, her cunning and her great skills that helped to prevent the complete destruction of the world she knows. She is crowned to be the queen of all gray elves and lives a long and prosperous life full of love, happiness and pleasure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Her achievements during her adventures: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eve, the gray elven mindcrafter, saved the world with her brave efforts and became a great ruler while saving herself 27 times. She scored 24993796 points and advanced to level 50. She survived for 0 years, 85 days, 9 hours, 34 minutes and 3 seconds (166740 turns). Eve visited 139 places. Her strength score was modified by +22 during her career. Her learning score was modified by +15 during her career. Her willpower score was modified by +23 during her career. Her dexterity score was modified by +16 during her career. Her toughness score was modified by +26 during her career. Her charisma score was modified by +8 during her career. Her appearance score was modified by +11 during her career. Her mana score was modified by +12 during her career. Her perception score was modified by +4 during her career. She was unnaturally aged by 13 years. She was the champion of the arena. She was a member of the thieves guild. She made a little water dragon very happy. She killed the emperor of the ancient minotaur race. She defeated the arch enemy of a mighty karmic wyrm. She adhered to the principles of the Cat Lord and thus rose to great fame. She left the Drakalor Chain after completing her quest and became a great leader and famous heroine. -It's a shame the bug temple one isn't in this list, but I didn't want to have to clear it with wands/crystals. 11161 monsters perished under her attacks. The following 30 artifacts were generated during her adventure: the si the dwarven rune axe "Rolf's Companion" the scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle" the ring of the master cat the golden gladius "Death's Sting" the Chaos Orb of Elemental Water the Chaos Orb of Elemental Air the Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire the Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth the lead-filled mace "Big Punch" the scorched spear -I never found this. I would have used it in the early game. the rune-covered trident the sword of Nonnak the elemental gauntlets the ring of the High Kings the phial of Caladriel the crown of science the ancient mummy wrapping the ankh the glaive "Long Sting" -My second precrowning. I forgot how incredibly long the second one takes, and then I got this at the end of it. I'm never doing that again. the Chaos Orb of Elemental Mana the black rune-covered dagger "Needle" the ring of immunity -Crowning, quite useful. the medium obsidian shield "Protector" -First precrowning, very useful. the crown of leadership -Randomly generated on D:50 the dwarven pick axe "Hammerhead" -Also randomly generated on D:50. I really wish I had it for all my smithing. Instead, I had to break a pile of 10 pickaxes trying to coax some ore out of the walls, and then go to dwarftown and pay to have them fixed. Oh well. the shining long spear "Soaker" -In casino. It wasn't worth buying. the emerald dagger "Serpent's Bite" -Uselessness. the weird tome the axe of the minotaur emperor -Never used, I basically get this axe for kicks. She possessed the following intrinsics: She was fire resistant. She was poison resistant. She was acid resistant. She was lucky (enhanced through an item). Fate smiled upon her (enhanced through items). She was sleep resistant (gained through an item). She was able to control teleportation. She was stun resistant (gained through an item). She was shock resistant. She was able to see invisible things (gained through an item). She was immune to shock attacks. She was immune to fire attacks (gained through an item). She was immune to acidic attacks. -Lucky with a slug. She was able to resist confusion attacks (gained through an item). She had the following talents: Alert, Beast of Burden, Careful, Defensive Fighter, Greased Lightning, Hardy, Iron Skin, Long Stride, Master Packager, Miser, Porter, Quick, Shield Expert, Shield Master, Shield Specialist, Sixth Sense, Tough Skin, Treasure Hunter, Very Quick. She had a final speed score of 132 (final base speed: 131). She cheated Death once. -I found an AoLS in the HMV shop, and then was instantly killed by the local stone giant lord. I got a wish before reaching Khelevaster, but I let him die anyway. She was a fervent follower of Corellius. She asked for 2 divine interventions. -Precrownings. I like avoiding additional prayer when possible. She was a holy champion of Order. The following monsters were vanquished: *mostly snipped* 24 balors -I found a tension room in low CoC. Very nice xp. 248 chaos servants -Bleck. 1 cloaked ratling -He had it coming. 89 goblin rockthrowers -First kill. For a while, my name was "Eve Gob'Roc" to commemorate this. Then, my name was "Eve 65Gob'r" or something to display how many I needed for courage. 3652 gremlins -I got a RoDS fairly early, but I was mostly disappointed by the results. If I do another normal ending, I should just skip gremlin scumming altogether. 5 invisible stalkers -There was a friendly invisible stalker next to some stairs in high CoC. He's lucky I never ran into him. The following is a real Adom message: The homunculus hits you. You suddenly fall asleep! Do you want to continue to read the spellbook of Calm Monster? [y/N] |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Congrats, and thanks, your flg has given me some ideas for my current gnomish mindcrafters, but most of my chars have 2 points in the game where if they pass, they only die for a retarded reasons: If I make it to dwarftown, I'm good till: Tower of Eternal Flames....I've lost almost as many chars here than at beginning of game. Oh, and what are all the book-casting talents, can someone give me a list, cuz I want to make a really beastly gnomish mindcrafter, dunno if it would be possible to make a gnomish mindcrafter the ultimate char(well, if they could bookcast wish, they'd be an archmage,so they'd be like a wizard and a mindcrafter) "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Some guy Registered user I'm baaaack. Last page view: 5814 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes and 59 seconds ago. |
The guidebook has a good map of all the talents and prerequisites. If you want a decent chance of bookcasting wish on a mindcrafter, you'd want at least 100 points of learning in that spell, which would be very hard to get. You'd need to get 100 points from wands/potions of wonder or successfully read the book without it disappearing (which would be very tough as a mindcrafter). Either way, you need to find the book somewhere. I don't think I've ever lost a good character in the Tower of Eternal Flames. My equipment at that point is generally good enough to melee everything but the wyrm, which I shoot dragon slaying ammo at, with a ring of ice or throwaway bows. You could try using drakelings; being three times as fast as everything else makes the tower very easy. Bring some spenseweeds if you don't have fire immunity and regeneration. The following is a real Adom message: The homunculus hits you. You suddenly fall asleep! Do you want to continue to read the spellbook of Calm Monster? [y/N] |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago. |
Well, I'm going to make a huge effort in making my next win with gnomish mindcrafter, and I can see using potions/wands of wonder to get enough spell to reasonably cast wish, or just scum blue dragon caves and just wish for tons of power. The ToEF is my 2nd most hated place, first is the air temple, I hate taking all the time dropping everything, takes at least 20 minutes by that point in game, and without resistance, heavy damage can occur....it's the same as the tower in my opinion: it may prove difficult, so you want the best stuff with you(crowns of regen, even though it's iron), but if you aren't immune or have rings of ice, it can be hell above the ground. My current mindcrafter is going to get healing soon, then kill Hotzenplotz, go to Puppy Cave and get exp, and hopefully altar to get 2 precrowns if on cavernous level. I got 3 precrowns once on PC:5, very easy when chaotic or lawful. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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Soirana Registered user Chaos Freak Last page view: 4360 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes and 3 seconds ago. |
>I hate taking all the time dropping everything, >takes at least 20 minutes by that point in game :D or :d and choose from list all items. it is extended drop comand, iirc. and keep enter pressed for a while:) A root is a flower that disdains fame. Kahlil Gibran(1883-1931) |
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nOOb-mAsTeR Registered user Master of all things nOOby!!! Last page view: 5974 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes and 31 seconds ago. |
oh....boy, it'll take me forever to learn the use of every command......and I've been playin for a year now too..... well, made new gnomish mindcrafter, found a adamantanium scimitar in Puppy Cave, after healing, very nice, and bought large shield, first time I ever used haggling. Mindcrafters practically rape everything that's not undead or chaos, provided you have enough power points that is. Though fort the first time ever I accidentally used mindcraft on an undead: I thought that the damage that the manual stated was minor, but no, I accidentally attempted to use mind blast on a wight, and I lost 31 out of my 62 HP...and a mimic was right near me to boot.Luckily teleportitis from a pixie corpse kicked in:D Before that though, I spent 3 days trapped in the ant level, had to tame several, music skill is useful bugs and stupid animals. I think that if I am able to get sword of nonnak, this char will kick some serious butt. "You try to give Fang, the large dog the bone. Fang, the large dog says,"Do you know who I am, mortal?!?!" My smartest dog ever:D |
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